Tnetennba Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 🤦♀️ 🤦♀️🤦♀️ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 I barely follow the NBA anymore, and even I know that stars win in that league. When was the last time a team of 9 - 10 very good players with no true superstar won it all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 Should have known that they'd pull this s%*# once they got their pick back from the Spurs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 24 minutes ago, Tnetennba said: 🤦♀️ 🤦♀️🤦♀️ Sounds like a quote that would be coming from JR/Getz about the White Sox and not ever signing a $100+ million player, not that $300 million plus isn't ACTUALLY the new cutoff for "star" caliber players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 35 minutes ago, Tnetennba said: I barely follow the NBA anymore, and even I know that stars win in that league. When was the last time a team of 9 - 10 very good players with no true superstar won it all? Unless you think Tatum and Brown on Boston don't count last year...Detroit in 2003. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 42 minutes ago, Tnetennba said: 🤦♀️ 🤦♀️🤦♀️ This guy is as delusional as Kenny, Hahn, and Getz. Not at all surprising that both teams owned by Jerry are basically clones. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/43724975/arturas-karnisovas-says-bulls-transition-more-come Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snopek Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 Man, the Bears are gonna be doing some HEAVY lifting for foreseeable future as the only Chicago team that is even remotely interesting to me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 I'd actually rather pay to see a Sox game than a Bulls game right now. As an out of stater who is a playoff only fan (as a kid I was a real fan of B-Hawks and Bulls) I have zero interest in watching any part of a current Bulls game. Exceedingly dull. Why is Billy Donovan still there. He could get a job with a real NBA or college team. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 1 hour ago, Tnetennba said: 🤦♀️ 🤦♀️🤦♀️ These guys are legit the worst front office in the sport. Absolute imbeciles if they actually believe that a viable strategy. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 1 hour ago, Tnetennba said: 🤦♀️ 🤦♀️🤦♀️ It’s seriously worth pondering if this would work at all with the way the NBA cap is structured. If you have a LaVine type contract (maybe White in 2 years) or a contract a guy isn’t living up to, either one will seriously hamper your roster. The only teams that seem close to this setup now have like 7 recent first round picks in their rotation to allow them room to sign extra contributors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 7 Author Share Posted February 7 11 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: Is there any doubt the Bulls will miss the train? Again. I hate this team. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 (edited) "We don't have time to waste a year (evaluating)..." JR Karnisovas acknowledged it can be a long process to begin remaking the team, but he touted the Bulls controlling of all of their draft picks going forward along with the fact they have already started building a roster with young players he believes have upside. "Three and a half years ago, we tried to put that team together. That came out pretty well, but we skipped steps and tried to accelerate the process," Karnisovas said. "Right now we have an opportunity here to play slower and evaluate our young guys." ... "We might get a high draft pick or we might be in the play-in, we might be in the playoffs," he said. "I think I was saying that if this young nucleus can get you to play in the playoffs, I think it's going to be growth in terms of your young players and development. That's worth it for me." espn.com Edited February 7 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 (edited) Especially considering the Bulls couldn’t get across the finish line in negotiations for stretch-5 Nikola Vučević rather than seizing an opportunity to capitalize on his outlier-excellent season by expunging the rest of his contract and getting some draft picks for him. And that he didn’t push to move guards Coby White or Ayo Dosunmu before they wind up in an untenable contractual middle ground where the Bulls can’t effectively extend them for what they’re worth. And that, rather than moving the finally-healthy-and-looking-great Lonzo Ball while the iron was hot, he instead extended Ball for a still-moveable two years and $20 million … and then didn’t move him. Yes, trades are hard, it takes two to tango, etc. But the Bulls just, like, never tango. They are the guy in the “They Don’t Know” meme, standing in the corner at the party, talking to themselves about how nobody knows that Patrick Williams is totally still going to become Kawhi Leonard someday, just you wait. Meanwhile … everybody else is dancing and having a good time, you know? Just for the record: The Bulls are 22-30, on pace to finish between sixth and 11th place in the East for the sixth straight season. If they’re not OK with being in the middle, they should probably, at some point, try to stop being in the middle. https://sports.yahoo.com/nba-trade-deadline-2025-winners-and-losers-and-one-mega-super-huge-loser-222749477.html Edited February 7 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 (edited) 3 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: These guys are legit the worst front office in the sport. Absolute imbeciles if they actually believe that a viable strategy. The Bulls aren’t close to having either model so AK is full of crap. Edited February 7 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 Reinsdorfian front offices. Hell yea 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 I just can’t stop thinking about how incompetent AKME really is. There is a Joe Cowley article that says AK’s presser was just GM speak and he has a real plan and sense of urgency behind the scenes, but actions speak louder than words and these fucks don’t deserve the benefit of the doubt until we change is made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 1 hour ago, Chicago White Sox said: I just can’t stop thinking about how incompetent AKME really is. There is a Joe Cowley article that says AK’s presser was just GM speak and he has a real plan and sense of urgency behind the scenes, but actions speak louder than words and these fucks don’t deserve the benefit of the doubt until we change is made. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 2 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: I just can’t stop thinking about how incompetent AKME really is. There is a Joe Cowley article that says AK’s presser was just GM speak and he has a real plan and sense of urgency behind the scenes, but actions speak louder than words and these fucks don’t deserve the benefit of the doubt until we change is made. 11 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said: The Bulls aren’t close to having either model so AK is full of crap. 15 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: These guys are legit the worst front office in the sport. Absolute imbeciles if they actually believe that a viable strategy. 15 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said: This guy is as delusional as Kenny, Hahn, and Getz. Not at all surprising that both teams owned by Jerry are basically clones. There is simply no way AK believes this. A basic fan can understand why the premise is flawed. There is a reason it feels so similar to what other FO's have said that have run the Bulls and the Sox. It's coming from upstairs. As already mentioned in this thread, this idea of having no superstar but a deep 9-10 man roster of "good" has worked once in the last 25 years. It's an antiquated way of building a team. You know who's antiquated and stuck in the past? Dude was bringing up Branch Rickey in a press conference in 2023. Both the Sox and Bulls are stuck on a road to nowhere until the Reinsdorfs are removed from ownership. It's not anymore complicated than that. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 1 hour ago, Tony said: There is simply no way AK believes this. A basic fan can understand why the premise is flawed. There is a reason it feels so similar to what other FO's have said that have run the Bulls and the Sox. It's coming from upstairs. As already mentioned in this thread, this idea of having no superstar but a deep 9-10 man roster of "good" has worked once in the last 25 years. It's an antiquated way of building a team. You know who's antiquated and stuck in the past? Dude was bringing up Branch Rickey in a press conference in 2023. Both the Sox and Bulls are stuck on a road to nowhere until the Reinsdorfs are removed from ownership. It's not anymore complicated than that. The only problem for the Bulls is the Reinsdorf’s will never be removed. That will be their bread & butter for the foreseeable future. At least the White Sox will be freed of this torture within the next 10 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 1 hour ago, Tony said: There is simply no way AK believes this. A basic fan can understand why the premise is flawed. There is a reason it feels so similar to what other FO's have said that have run the Bulls and the Sox. It's coming from upstairs. As already mentioned in this thread, this idea of having no superstar but a deep 9-10 man roster of "good" has worked once in the last 25 years. It's an antiquated way of building a team. You know who's antiquated and stuck in the past? Dude was bringing up Branch Rickey in a press conference in 2023. Both the Sox and Bulls are stuck on a road to nowhere until the Reinsdorfs are removed from ownership. It's not anymore complicated than that. Reinsdorf's favorite basketball player: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almagest Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 (edited) The only time Reinsdorf won anything in the NBA was when he had a team with two and then four hall of famers on it, one of whom is a top 3 player of all time at worst. So of course he thinks you need to do the opposite of that! Edited February 7 by almagest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 7 minutes ago, almagest said: The only time Reinsdorf won anything in the NBA was when he had a team with two and then four hall of famers on it, one of whom is a top 3 player of all time at worst. So of course he thinks you need to do the opposite of that! Organizations win Championships Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 5 minutes ago, almagest said: The only time Reinsdorf won anything in the NBA was when he had a team with two and then four hall of famers on it, one of whom is a top 3 player of all time at worst. So of course he thinks you need to do the opposite of that! And he couldn't even properly manage that situation...organizations win championships is such bullshit coming from him who has won 1 in about 90 opportunities outside of MJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almagest Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 Even though the quote wasn't intended the way I'm thinking about it, I actually think "orgs win championships" is true. They win by finding very good players, making sure they have the right supporting cast and coaching around them, and they keep finding good players to supplement the roster through drafting, free agency and trades. These orgs always seem to "luck" into stars via draft or trade, then they know what to do with them. I would love for the the Bulls to get back there, but they likely won't with this front office and ownership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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