WhiteSox2023 Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 10 hours ago, BigHurt3515 said: Dallas being rewarded after giving up Luka is ridiculous The Mavericks had a 1.8% chance at winning the top pick. The fix is in once again, just like when the Bulls got the #1 pick in 2008 with an 1.7% chance and drafted Rose. The NBA wants to make the Mavericks great again. 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 10 hours ago, Quin said: I mean, I hate to be that guy, but it's hard to say it isn't rigged some years at this point, at least when there's mega prospects. LeBron enters draft, goes to hometown team as a savior. Rose enters draft, goes to hometown team with 1.7% odds. LeBron leaves Cleveland, they get the #1 pick 3/4 years, netting them Kyrie and the ability to trade for Love. Chris Paul traded from New Orleans, bam, AD. AD traded from New Orleans, bam, Zion. Wemby becomes the next defensive stalwart big man to learn under Pop. Luka traded to Los Angeles, Nico's idiotic move nets them Flagg. NBA is in LOVE with these narratives. Bingo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 6 hours ago, Chisoxfn said: I’m so tired at the Bulls lousy front office. That said - if they somehow could give up the next 5 years of picks and swaps plus a young player and filler for a star that works for me. Our GM doesn’t believe in stars. That definitely isn’t his strategy. The Bulls and the Sox are the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 7 hours ago, T R U said: Draft lottery’s are so dumb. The mavs were in the play in tournament and get the 1st overall pick. So stupid. 100%. They send certain franchises into purgatory (Orlando great example who had brutal luck for half a decade) while rewarding some teams who are already talent rich. Players unions need to stop thinking this does ANYTHING to improve jobs for middling vets. It’s such a joke. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snopek Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 12 hours ago, BigHurt3515 said: Dallas being rewarded after giving up Luka is ridiculous 12 hours ago, Quin said: I mean, I hate to be that guy, but it's hard to say it isn't rigged some years at this point, at least when there's mega prospects. Honest question because I don’t follow the NBA too closely: What is considered the motivation behind rigging the lottery in favor of Dallas? Is it a thank you to them for keeping the Lakers relevant via the Luka trade? Or is Dallas just a market/franchise that is in the NBA’s best interest for them to be successful? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 35 minutes ago, Snopek said: Honest question because I don’t follow the NBA too closely: What is considered the motivation behind rigging the lottery in favor of Dallas? Is it a thank you to them for keeping the Lakers relevant via the Luka trade? Or is Dallas just a market/franchise that is in the NBA’s best interest for them to be successful? What most people feel: Rewarding them for giving Lakers a mega star. How I feel: Nico obliterated an entire fan base in a large market. This undoes that. I have friends that are Mavs friends that were basically on the ropes and now they're energized again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 40 minutes ago, Quin said: What most people feel: Rewarding them for giving Lakers a mega star. How I feel: Nico obliterated an entire fan base in a large market. This undoes that. I have friends that are Mavs friends that were basically on the ropes and now they're energized again. I really don't think it's rigged, I do think the lottery's revamped system rewards great teams who suffer injuries (a team with Kyrie and Davis should not be in the lottery) and punishes/crushes fan bases who are patiently waiting to return to relevance. You may be able to spend into relevance in the mlb...you cannot in the NHL/NBA. Players especially have so much power over which franchises they'll even sign to. You are just making it so bad years for a team become bad decades. Meanwhile, has any team been like "eh we are going to be bad but the lottery is difficult to win, let's sign an extra vet because it doesn't matter?" No. They know they are not going to make the playoffs so situations like the bulls (1 win led them to miss out on a decade+ of relevance) do not happen. Players unions are idiots here, just destroying the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 18 minutes ago, bmags said: I really don't think it's rigged, I do think the lottery's revamped system rewards great teams who suffer injuries (a team with Kyrie and Davis should not be in the lottery) and punishes/crushes fan bases who are patiently waiting to return to relevance. You may be able to spend into relevance in the mlb...you cannot in the NHL/NBA. Players especially have so much power over which franchises they'll even sign to. You are just making it so bad years for a team become bad decades. Meanwhile, has any team been like "eh we are going to be bad but the lottery is difficult to win, let's sign an extra vet because it doesn't matter?" No. They know they are not going to make the playoffs so situations like the bulls (1 win led them to miss out on a decade+ of relevance) do not happen. Players unions are idiots here, just destroying the game. Fwiw, my opinion is not aided by the fact that the firm overseeing the process, Ernst & Young, was fined by the SEC for cheating audits. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 I do think the Professional Women's Hockey League has it figured out: Once a team is mathematically eliminated, they improve their draft standing by winning games. The play-in teams wouldn't be able to jump teams that need picks, but teams that were shamelessly tanking like the 76ers and Raptors have to actually try once they're eliminated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 Latest espn.com mock...Bulls just missing out on Jacucionis and D.Queen of MD... Scouting report: Egor Demin/BYU is a polarizing prospect, more theoretical in nature than some would hope in terms of the productivity, consistency and bankable skills he can hang his hat on early in his NBA career. He's also exceptionally talented, a 6-foot-9 point guard who can make every pick-and-roll read and pass, often in highlight-reel fashion. The evolution of his shooting will be a major swing skill for his development, but he made promising gains in a few different areas as the season moved on and clearly has significant upside to grow into at 19 years old. -- Givony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted May 13 Share Posted May 13 It really doesn't help that reporters like Windhorst and Vorkunov are like "the vibe was off." https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6351525/2025/05/13/nba-draft-lottery-mavericks-nico-harrison-cooper-flagg/?source=user_shared_article Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 (edited) https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/article/is-jayson-tatums-achilles-injury-the-cost-of-the-modern-game-and-increasing-physicality-190613862.html Towns leads a growing trend of stretch 5s which demands a defender to follow the big man for a much larger surface area on the floor. Whether it’s Nikola Jokić in Denver, Chet Holmgren in OKC or Myles Turner in Indiana, having a stretch 5 is the norm for title contenders now. Hell, Draymond Green is averaging more 3-point attempts in this series (5.8) than Reggie Miller did in his postseason career (5.7). Notably, the rise of the 3-point shot across the league has run parallel with the increase in player injuries, but there’s also a third variable: player movement. According to recent research from Sportico’s Lev Akabas, NBA players are covering about 9% more distance per minute on court than they did a decade ago. Akabas wrote in his post: “It’s no surprise that the more miles a player puts on his body, the more likely he is to get injured.” Edited May 14 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 22 Share Posted May 22 Crazy finish to that Pacers Knicks game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 Sorry Ant, but OKC is just too good right now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 3 hours ago, Kyyle23 said: Sorry Ant, but OKC is just too good right now You know they have at least two first round picks until 2028? What Presti has done in OKC has been remarkable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 29 Author Share Posted May 29 3 hours ago, Kyyle23 said: Sorry Ant, but OKC is just too good right now They are going to destroy the Pacers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 1 hour ago, Tony said: You know they have at least two first round picks until 2028? What Presti has done in OKC has been remarkable. It’s just a constant flow of stars in that org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 On 5/29/2025 at 10:50 AM, Kyyle23 said: It’s just a constant flow of stars in that org When we were hiring a new GM there were some rumors Presti could be interested (that's when Billy left) as it was the height of 'can't pay or keep talent here'. Such a shame. The 'Paul George Championship' is a good reminder that the same year that the Bulls traded Jimmy Butler on an expiring -yet extremely cheap- deal, the Pacers traded Paul George. The pacers received Victor Oladipo and Damontis Sabonis. Oladipo immediately becomes an all star in Indiana while they develop Sabonis into being an all star in a few years. Two all stars. Oladipo gets injured badly which is bad luck, while they trade Sabonis for Tyrese Halliburton, whom the bulls decided to draft Patrick WIlliams over instead. Not sure we need the Bulls history here, but the Bulls traded one of the Stars of the next 5 years in Butler for Kris Dunn, Zach Lavine, and a pick swap to get Lauri Markannen. Kris Dunn is terrible for the bulls and is let go before eventually becoming a pretty strong bench player. He is not signed by bulls so they just lost there. Zach Lavine eventually becomes an all star for the bulls but their aimlessness leads them to need to keep paying him until it was clear his sugar-high numbers were not at all helpful to winning basketball. They trade him for a salary dump. Lauri Markannen looks promising, but after a weird heart issue they trade him for a first round pick that never materializes. He becomes an all star with the Jazz. The bulls are on rebuild 3. THe pacers are in the championship. The owner is a Reinsdorf in one, has a major market and an amazing brand he has squandered. The other is not a reinsdorf, has a forgettable brand in a small market. Reinsdorfs are such losers, such pathetic pathetic losers. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 27 minutes ago, bmags said: When we were hiring a new GM there were some rumors Presti could be interested (that's when Billy left) as it was the height of 'can't pay or keep talent here'. Such a shame. The 'Paul George Championship' is a good reminder that the same year that the Bulls traded Jimmy Butler on an expiring -yet extremely cheap- deal, the Pacers traded Paul George. The pacers received Victor Oladipo and Damontis Sabonis. Oladipo immediately becomes an all star in Indiana while they develop Sabonis into being an all star in a few years. Two all stars. Oladipo gets injured badly which is bad luck, while they trade Sabonis for Tyrese Halliburton, whom the bulls decided to draft Patrick WIlliams over instead. Not sure we need the Bulls history here, but the Bulls traded one of the Stars of the next 5 years in Butler for Kris Dunn, Zach Lavine, and a pick swap to get Lauri Markannen. Kris Dunn is terrible for the bulls and is let go before eventually becoming a pretty strong bench player. He is not signed by bulls so they just lost there. Zach Lavine eventually becomes an all star for the bulls but their aimlessness leads them to need to keep paying him until it was clear his sugar-high numbers were not at all helpful to winning basketball. They trade him for a salary dump. Lauri Markannen looks promising, but after a weird heart issue they trade him for a first round pick that never materializes. He becomes an all star with the Jazz. The bulls are on rebuild 3. THe pacers are in the championship. The owner is a Reinsdorf in one, has a major market and an amazing brand he has squandered. The other is not a reinsdorf, has a forgettable brand in a small market. Reinsdorfs are such losers, such pathetic pathetic losers. And there is just far too much history and data to tell us it's just isolated to one sport/one team. This is a deep rooted, multi-generational belief that player development is not something you invest in, doing the bare minimum can still find you "success" when it comes to owning a professional sports franchise. It's why I personally feel like all the hand ringing, back and forth conversation about the White Sox is all for nothing. They can say all the right things, draft all the players they want...nothing will ultimately change until the current owners are removed from the equation. And 89 year old doesn't suddenly change their beliefs overnight. Jerry isn't going to wake up one morning and say "Everything I've been doing has been wrong, we're changing course." We're all hostages aboard the S.S. Reinsdorf. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 Thibs canned https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/knicks-fire-tom-thibodeau-new-york-moves-on-from-coach-after-eastern-conference-finals-exit-per-reports/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinky Stanky Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 On 6/2/2025 at 9:31 AM, Tony said: And there is just far too much history and data to tell us it's just isolated to one sport/one team. This is a deep rooted, multi-generational belief that player development is not something you invest in, doing the bare minimum can still find you "success" when it comes to owning a professional sports franchise. It's why I personally feel like all the hand ringing, back and forth conversation about the White Sox is all for nothing. They can say all the right things, draft all the players they want...nothing will ultimately change until the current owners are removed from the equation. And 89 year old doesn't suddenly change their beliefs overnight. Jerry isn't going to wake up one morning and say "Everything I've been doing has been wrong, we're changing course." We're all hostages aboard the S.S. Reinsdorf. Who developed Jimmy? Who developed Joakim? Who developed Coby? I agree with you that he's unlikable and an easy target, but what do we know of the awful decisions that he's personally responsible for, except La Russa? And there have been enough awful drafts and trades over the years but he's not the one who made them. Can't give him all the blame for paying Zach, some of it yeah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 4 hours ago, Stinky Stanky said: Who developed Jimmy? Who developed Joakim? Who developed Coby? I agree with you that he's unlikable and an easy target, but what do we know of the awful decisions that he's personally responsible for, except La Russa? And there have been enough awful drafts and trades over the years but he's not the one who made them. Can't give him all the blame for paying Zach, some of it yeah. Do you really want to get into debate about successes and failures when it comes to Reinsdorf owned teams? Because based on the angle you're taking, that's an argument you're going to lose. Additionally, as owner of a professional sports team (two, actually), everything falls under your watch. He's employing the people in making the draft picks, executing the trades, engaging in player development. If it's not working (which is clearly hasn't with both franchises) then changes are needed until they are consistently competitive with the rest of the league. His teams have failed to do that at an alarmingly high rate. And even using your premise, that Jerry isn't "personally responsible" for day to day roster decisions, the people he hired are. Why should we think at 89 years old, his hiring practices and what he looks for in GM's is suddenly going to change? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 9 hours ago, Kyyle23 said: Thibs canned https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/knicks-fire-tom-thibodeau-new-york-moves-on-from-coach-after-eastern-conference-finals-exit-per-reports/ Id take him back - but I am a thibs fanboy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 I believe Haliburton is becoming IT, right in front of our eyes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 2 hours ago, Kyyle23 said: I believe Haliburton is becoming IT, right in front of our eyes Didn't a players' poll call him the most overrated? He's been awesome the entire playoffs. I'd love him on my team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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