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12 minutes ago, 46DidIt said:

Sox seem to promote coaches level by level but does that even make sense. Seems like maybe you’d want your best coaches at A+ or AA maybe, a more crucial developmental step than AAA imo

The coaches are gonna want to make the majors eventually. If they had brought Francona up before he was Buddy Bell's third base coach in Detroit, who knows if things shake out differently.

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16 minutes ago, 46DidIt said:

Sox seem to promote coaches level by level but does that even make sense. Seems like maybe you’d want your best coaches at A+ or AA maybe, a more crucial developmental step than AAA imo

Best developmental guys in low minors.

That may or may not be a Santos or Jirschele...leadership, strategy, rapport with vets/AAAA types, balancing winning vs. development etc.  Dealing with guys sent down or blocked. Pushing some, comforting others. Different skill sets.

Clearly Santos is now the heir apparent after V enable.

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3 minutes ago, Quin said:

The coaches are gonna want to make the majors eventually. If they had brought Francona up before he was Buddy Bell's third base coach in Detroit, who knows if things shake out differently.

Yeah but if you had you best manager at A ball you could just promote him to majors. It’s not like a manager had to advance minor league levels to adapt to better pitchers

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5 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said:

What's so funny about it? He had success last year. Can players who weren't all that great not be good coaches or something? 

When he came up, people said that his hitting approach was strong and some people almost guaranteed he'd hit well even though they weren't sure about his defense. He couldn't swing it effectively in the big leagues but that does profile as a potential hitting coach to me.

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16 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

When he came up, people said that his hitting approach was strong and some people almost guaranteed he'd hit well even though they weren't sure about his defense. He couldn't swing it effectively in the big leagues but that does profile as a potential hitting coach to me.

696 lifetime ops well above whatever the team average was last year...

Oh yeah, 618.

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On 1/17/2025 at 2:22 PM, PaleAleSox said:

What's so funny about it? He had success last year. Can players who weren't all that great not be good coaches or something? 

I have no idea if Nicky is or will be a good hitting coach. One thing I do know, if he didn’t have his cup of coffee with the White Sox, he would have a different job now, and that, in the past, has been a huge problem. So the skepticism should be understood. I do believe he is a coach’s son, so he may have some of that in his DNA.

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54 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

I have no idea if Nicky is or will be a good hitting coach. One thing I do know, if he didn’t have his cup of coffee with the White Sox, he would have a different job now, and that, in the past, has been a huge problem. So the skepticism should be understood. I do believe he is a coach’s son, so he may have some of that in his DNA.

Baseball players spend their entire lives learning and honing a few, otherwise unmarketable skills. The fact that Adam Engel, Trayce Thompson, Kevan Smith, Daniel Palka and Tyler Saladino aren't all coaches for the White Sox tells me they're somewhat discerning on the prerequisites for the job. 

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1 hour ago, Dick Allen said:

I have no idea if Nicky is or will be a good hitting coach. One thing I do know, if he didn’t have his cup of coffee with the White Sox, he would have a different job now, and that, in the past, has been a huge problem. So the skepticism should be understood. I do believe he is a coach’s son, so he may have some of that in his DNA.

He was the hitting coach for a very successful team last year within the organization. This isn’t even new information. 

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37 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Baseball players spend their entire lives learning and honing a few, otherwise unmarketable skills. The fact that Adam Engel, Trayce Thompson, Kevan Smith, Daniel Palka and Tyler Saladino aren't all coaches for the White Sox tells me they're somewhat discerning on the prerequisites for the job. 

Well, those first three could actually coach/teach defense...like the Brian Simmons of their day.

Could at least get Sox/Bulls Camp jobs.

Or Smith could coach QBs.

 

Palka otoh made Viciedo Sheets Vaughn look like skilled corner OF defenders...

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6 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said:

He was the hitting coach for a very successful team last year within the organization. This isn’t even new information. 

50-80% of all jobs are filled through networking. I can understand thinking that an assistant minor league hitting instructor is a job that requires many rounds of interviews in order to get the perfect guy to be the best assistant hitting instructor, but like most entry level jobs, you just want a guy who will listen and learn to do the job the way you want it done. If he doesn't pick it up, you have dozens of new candidates next December. 

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5 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

50-80% of all NON SOX-RELATED JOBS are filled through networking. I can understand thinking that an assistant minor league hitting instructor is a job that requires many rounds of interviews in order to get the perfect guy to be the best assistant hitting instructor, but like most entry level jobs, you just want a guy who will listen and learn to do the job the way you want it done. If he doesn't pick it up, you have dozens of new candidates next December. 

 

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7 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Well, those first three could actually coach/teach defense...like the Brian Simmons of their day.

Could at least get Sox/Bulls Camp jobs.

Or Smith could coach QBs.

 

Palka otoh made Viciedo Sheets Vaughn look like skilled corner OF defenders...

Walt Hriniak had a .586 lifetime OPS in 111 pro plate appearances. Nobody believes that a hitting instructor must have won multiple batting titles in order to be able to teach hitting. 

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12 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

Walt Hriniak had a .586 lifetime OPS in 111 pro plate appearances. Nobody believes that a hitting instructor must have won multiple batting titles in order to be able to teach hitting. 

Worked well with Sosa...what next, Charlie Lau?

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