WestEddy Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 22 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: The White Sox built a brand for seventy-five years in Cuba and what exactly is that worth now to the franchise? It got them a lot. Alexei, Abreu, Robert... And if JR were more aggressive, they might have been able to do with Cuba what the Dodgers are doing with Japanese stars, right now. The model's been established. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 I don't say this much, but @WestEddy is cooking. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 (edited) Have the true stud players been coming out of Cuba lately, or moreso DR and Japan? Obviously, it would have been nice to corner the market in one area like Cuba regardless. Edited January 19 by WhiteSox2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 14 minutes ago, WestEddy said: It got them a lot. Alexei, Abreu, Robert... And if JR were more aggressive, they might have been able to do with Cuba what the Dodgers are doing with Japanese stars, right now. The model's been established. "Japan with a GDP of $5T ranked the 3rd largest economy in the world, while Cuba ranked 64th with $100B. By GDP 5-years average growth and GDP per capita, Japan and Cuba ranked 152nd vs 130th and 28th vs 82nd, respectively. Apples and oranges. How could they possibly monetize Cuba? And now Trump/GOP politics make it all the more unlikely.... Cuba couldn't even afford Ohtani's 50/50 ball...they actually spend their money on subsidizing healthcare. You forgot Minoso, El Duque, Rodon (family branches), Contreras, Grandal, Moncada... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 18 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said: Have the true stud players been coming out of Cuba lately, or moreso DR and Japan? Obviously, it would have been nice to corner the market in one area like Cuba regardless. We have Alejandro Cruz now...that will show 'em. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 22 minutes ago, WestEddy said: It got them a lot. Alexei, Abreu, Robert... And if JR were more aggressive, they might have been able to do with Cuba what the Dodgers are doing with Japanese stars, right now. The model's been established. A dumb trade by Cashman of Contreras and cash subsidy for Loiaza is what essentially gifted the White Sox the WS. Because he had stage fright vs. the Red Sox/ESPN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 Couldn't happen to a more piece of s%*# team . F the padtes 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 7 minutes ago, JoshPR said: Couldn't happen to a more piece of s%*# team . F the padtes So the Dodgers aren't the Evil Empire villains now, lol? When I lived in KC for a decade (98-2007), fan protests were always directed at the Yankees. No more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 35 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: How could they possibly monetize Cuba? By exploiting their baseball workforce? Think outside the box, man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 35 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: We have Alejandro Cruz now...that will show 'em. I think that for a window, if we wanted to have a certain Cuban player, all we had to do was pay them. All things being equal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 17 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: So the Dodgers aren't the Evil Empire villains now, lol? When I lived in KC for a decade (98-2007), fan protests were always directed at the Yankees. No more. Sure they are. But if British Soccer were 12 Leicester Cities, nobody would give a s%*#. It's Manchester United that gets people's attention going. (I guess it's Manchester City, now) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 46 minutes ago, WestEddy said: By exploiting their baseball workforce? Think outside the box, man. It's called the law of diminishing marginal utility. Cuba is nearly tapped out...the market opportunities are in Asia, DR, Venezuela. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 17 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: It's called the law of diminishing marginal utility. Cuba is nearly tapped out...the market opportunities are in Asia, DR, Venezuela. Not South Sudan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 10 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Not South Sudan? Deng is the next Crochet... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleAleSox Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 I've never heard someone refer to the 2005 World Series as "gifted" to the White Sox. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 13 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said: I've never heard someone refer to the 2005 World Series as "gifted" to the White Sox. What would have happened in 2005 without Contreras? They were very fortunate he struggled with that big contract and the pressures that go with pitching for the Yankees. It literally killed Irabu...and Loiaza was nothing like his 2003 form at that point. But they had to get Jose off the roster somehow...and he obviously wasn't going to Boston. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 9 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: What would have happened in 2005 without Contreras? They were very fortunate he struggled with that big contract and the pressures that go with pitching for the Yankees. It literally killed Irabu...and Loiaza was nothing like his 2003 form at that point. But they had to get Jose off the roster somehow...and he obviously wasn't going to Boston. Then every single world series has been "gifted" to the winners through trades other teams made with them. LOL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 7 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Then every single world series has been "gifted" to the winners through trades other teams made with them. LOL. Gifted in the sense we couldn't normally afford him...Yankees also sent money along with. Trade literally went through the fax machine at 3:59 EST, beating the deadline by all of one minute. 15+ fWAR pitcher over six seasons, include two AL Pitcher of the month awards in late 2005 and April 2006. https://www.pinstripealley.com/2024/1/29/24053877/yankees-trade-partner-history-chicago-white-sox-eddie-lopat-todd-frazier-david-robertson-cashman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 33 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: Gifted in the sense we couldn't normally afford him...Yankees also sent money along with. Trade literally went through the fax machine at 3:59 EST, beating the deadline by all of one minute. 15+ fWAR pitcher over six seasons, include two AL Pitcher of the month awards in late 2005 and April 2006. https://www.pinstripealley.com/2024/1/29/24053877/yankees-trade-partner-history-chicago-white-sox-eddie-lopat-todd-frazier-david-robertson-cashman Yeah, but that happens. We got Alex Rios like that. We wouldn't have signed a guy like him on the open market, maybe JR would balk at the price tag, or Rios would choose a team with a better image - but we grabbed him on waivers. So...gifted? We got a pitcher in a way that pitchers become available. He couldn't right the ship in NY, and they traded him. Like Keith Foulke to the As. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 14 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Yeah, but that happens. We got Alex Rios like that. We wouldn't have signed a guy like him on the open market, maybe JR would balk at the price tag, or Rios would choose a team with a better image - but we grabbed him on waivers. So...gifted? We got a pitcher in a way that pitchers become available. He couldn't right the ship in NY, and they traded him. Like Keith Foulke to the As. 7 years and $69 million seems so quaint right now...the original Blue Jays extension. Of course, Rios didn't exactly help them win anything...the Javy Vazquez of position players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 28 minutes ago, caulfield12 said: 7 years and $69 million seems so quaint right now...the original Blue Jays extension. Of course, Rios didn't exactly help them win anything...the Javy Vazquez of position players. That guy was an enigma. My lasting memory of Rios was, man on first, 2-hopper up the middle into center. Rios jogs up to the ball, and sets to hit the cut off man. He then notices the runner having rounded third, and on his way home, scoring from first on a single. Rios' shoulders just slumped, like, "no fair". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 20 minutes ago, WestEddy said: That guy was an enigma. My lasting memory of Rios was, man on first, 2-hopper up the middle into center. Rios jogs up to the ball, and sets to hit the cut off man. He then notices the runner having rounded third, and on his way home, scoring from first on a single. Rios' shoulders just slumped, like, "no fair". He also got benched by Ozzie for not hustling. Moncada-esque emotionally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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caulfield12 Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 (edited) 2 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: Once again...that's counting Ohtani at around $2 million (or adjusted backwards???), still have Enrique Kiki Hernandez and Clayton Kershaw to fit onto the roster. "In 2025, Ohtani will earn a base salary of $2,000,000, while carrying a total salary of $70,000,000. Ohtani's adjusted salary with the Los Angeles Dodgers is $2,000,000 Source: MLB contract specifics generally collected from verified reports." 30% After Tommy Edman's extension, the Dodgers owe $989 million in deferred money on their current contracts. Five contracts on the Dodgers' payroll include deferred money, and more than 30% of each deal is deferred. Ohtani's deal is unique, however. Edited January 20 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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