ptatc Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 1 hour ago, The Mighty Mite said: This Robert scenario with him going through an intense hitting course had me thinking what the hell goes on in Spring Training, Robert has been bad for over 2 years, why weren’t his hitting woes addressed down in Arizona, instead they let him stink up the joint for 2 months with hoping because it’s a new season a miracle would occur with Robert his old self. Also they had the whole winter to try to fix him. From his different approach of being more patient and taking Walsh much more often, it looks like they did try something different with him. He just hasn't hit withbpowetbduring this approach. He wasnt very good with his approach last year so who knows what to do next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 13 minutes ago, ptatc said: From his different approach of being more patient and taking Walsh much more often, it looks like they did try something different with him. He just hasn't hit withbpowetbduring this approach. He wasnt very good with his approach last year so who knows what to do next. He was very good to start the season, but was terrible after getting hurt last year. It’s very clear he’s trying to be a more disciplined hitter this year but it’s clear as day it’s not working from an impacting the baseball perspective. At the end of the day, if Robert isn’t hitting for power then he won’t be an above average hitter. Even with his warts, he should be a league average hitter if he can hit 25 HRs, which would be plenty with his defense and base-running. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mighty Mite Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 (edited) 26 minutes ago, ptatc said: From his different approach of being more patient and taking Walsh much more often, it looks like they did try something different with him. He just hasn't hit withbpowetbduring this approach. He wasnt very good with his approach last year so who knows what to do next. See what happens with this 2 day crash course, if there is no improvement it will probably be time to trade him, they won’t get much but someone has to be better, Dominick Fletcher is having a very nice season in Charlotte. Edited June 6 by The Mighty Mite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 On 6/1/2025 at 2:02 PM, Y2Jimmy0 said: Not possible. He has no options. This was just never realistic unfortunately. Chris Getz in his first offseason as GM wasn’t going to be able to get value for 4 years of Luis Robert coming off a career year. It is unfortunate though. I actually think it was realistic knowing his injury history and a chance to sell high . I'm not sure Getz knew which direction the Sox were going to go but once he found out the budget was being slashed Robert should have been traded because it was apparently a rebuild and not a quick turn around scenario. Just based on Roberts checkered injury past you'd have to just lower your expectations for what you could get for him because selling high is the way to get the best value . Soxtalk always over valued how much he was worth and often talked about him being so good you couldn't get fair value which I always found greedy and ridiculous based on how many injuries kept him from being on the field . He was never a superstar but he had superstar ability that blinded fans assessment of him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 22 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: I actually think it was realistic knowing his injury history and a chance to sell high . I'm not sure Getz knew which direction the Sox were going to go but once he found out the budget was being slashed Robert should have been traded because it was apparently a rebuild and not a quick turn around scenario. Just based on Roberts checkered injury past you'd have to just lower your expectations for what you could get for him because selling high is the way to get the best value . Soxtalk always over valued how much he was worth and often talked about him being so good you couldn't get fair value which I always found greedy and ridiculous based on how many injuries kept him from being on the field . He was never a superstar but he had superstar ability that blinded fans assessment of him. I'm led to believe from any discussion of trade rumors on the internet that most of the negotiation hinges on how hard one would slam down the phone after a trade offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 On 6/1/2025 at 4:57 PM, T R U said: Seriously, that lame argument of “they’d never get value” is such a stupid line of thinking that has now turned out to making him worth nothing. There were a lot of people around here echoing that very sentiment however. Everyone was going gaga over his 5 tool superstar rising and started to believe JR that it could be a quick turnaround. I think that's why it hurt people so much that the Sox were so bad because they felt they were duped. However it became apparent pretty early in the off-season that this was not going to be a quick turnaround and the Sox were rebuilding again. Trading Robert should have been a priority but a first time 1st year GM was probably pretty overwhelmed with trading just Cease. But who are you going to get a better return for Robert coming off his 1st ever good full season or Cease coming off a bad year ? Sox fans were also overvaluing Cease at the time in our famous thread with Orioles fans. If you were going hold onto one and hope for a rebound to increase value , he could have done that with Cease even though I was not a fan of that strategy with Cease. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 22 minutes ago, WestEddy said: I'm led to believe from any discussion of trade rumors on the internet that most of the negotiation hinges on how hard one would slam down the phone after a trade offer. Oh yeah lots of people here were all falling in the camp that getting fair value for Robert was impossible and it would embarrass a lot of people here . It's pretty funny that I get accused of being a Getz stan but now all the Getz haters are echoing my theory that Getz biggest mistake was not anything he did but something he didn't do and that was trade Robert in that off season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 35 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: Oh yeah lots of people here were all falling in the camp that getting fair value for Robert was impossible and it would embarrass a lot of people here . It's pretty funny that I get accused of being a Getz stan but now all the Getz haters are echoing my theory that Getz biggest mistake was not anything he did but something he didn't do and that was trade Robert in that off season. There's also the concept that everybody on Earth knew that Yoan, Eloy and Robert would all be injured by the 11th game last year, and Getz should have known that, too. But no other GMs should have known that and should have traded all their best prospects for Robert in 12/2023, or they should have known that, and Getz should have *sold* them on Robert being better than what they should have known, and fleeced them, anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 14 minutes ago, WestEddy said: There's also the concept that everybody on Earth knew that Yoan, Eloy and Robert would all be injured by the 11th game last year, and Getz should have known that, too. But no other GMs should have known that and should have traded all their best prospects for Robert in 12/2023, or they should have known that, and Getz should have *sold* them on Robert being better than what they should have known, and fleeced them, anyway. And if everyone knew those guys were/are injury-prone, people shouldn’t have blamed those injuries for the downfall of last season in numerous posts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 Good job Eisert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 Sox need to win this game with that great crowd today . LFG bebe !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 14 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said: He was very good to start the season, but was terrible after getting hurt last year. It’s very clear he’s trying to be a more disciplined hitter this year but it’s clear as day it’s not working from an impacting the baseball perspective. At the end of the day, if Robert isn’t hitting for power then he won’t be an above average hitter. Even with his warts, he should be a league average hitter if he can hit 25 HRs, which would be plenty with his defense and base-running. That’s how I see it as well. Sometimes it may be better to just let players alone and be themselves. Robert has a real upside that could reveal itself quickly; if multiple teams are interested, one might pay more than his value. It happens all the time for pitching in July. Regardless, no interest in trading him or anyone else for Rule-5 eligible prospects (there are exceptions, but rare). Giveaways set a bad precedent and the Sox have enough Rule 5 guys. They could use some A ball or DSL lottery tickets, however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted June 7 Share Posted June 7 (edited) A heartbeat again. Edited June 8 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 Really interesting part of this story is the news that the Sox asked Robert to change how he "works." https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2025/06/07/white-sox-trade-deadline-luis-robert-jr-chris-getz-will-venable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 10 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said: Really interesting part of this story is the news that the Sox asked Robert to change how he "works." https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2025/06/07/white-sox-trade-deadline-luis-robert-jr-chris-getz-will-venable That is very interesting. The discussion of work habits is telling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 8 hours ago, ptatc said: That is very interesting. The discussion of work habits is telling. Yep, the Sox are publicly trashing their players again. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 19 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said: Really interesting part of this story is the news that the Sox asked Robert to change how he "works." https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2025/06/07/white-sox-trade-deadline-luis-robert-jr-chris-getz-will-venable A little late in the game for this request, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 Robert down to .177 now. 😲 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSox2023 Posted June 8 Share Posted June 8 1 hour ago, Lip Man 1 said: Robert down to .177 now. 😲 Cool for air rifles, bad for batting averages. 🤢 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcq Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 On 6/6/2025 at 2:50 PM, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said: I actually think it was realistic knowing his injury history and a chance to sell high . I'm not sure Getz knew which direction the Sox were going to go but once he found out the budget was being slashed Robert should have been traded because it was apparently a rebuild and not a quick turn around scenario. Just based on Roberts checkered injury past you'd have to just lower your expectations for what you could get for him because selling high is the way to get the best value . Soxtalk always over valued how much he was worth and often talked about him being so good you couldn't get fair value which I always found greedy and ridiculous based on how many injuries kept him from being on the field . He was never a superstar but he had superstar ability that blinded fans assessment of him. Robert Junior is a head case. Let's move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 Trading a player that is good because he might turn bad is so White Sox. If only people could answer why they turn bad that would be genius. We like to think work ethic could be an issue. I wonder if anyone asked that with Nolan Ryan, Randy Johnson, Pete Rose, and so much more. Unfortunately this happens in all sports. It seems to happen to the Sox more than anyone, even with free agents. Amazed at the crystal ball experts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poppysox Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 On 6/6/2025 at 8:13 AM, Chicago White Sox said: He was very good to start the season, but was terrible after getting hurt last year. It’s very clear he’s trying to be a more disciplined hitter this year but it’s clear as day it’s not working from an impacting the baseball perspective. At the end of the day, if Robert isn’t hitting for power then he won’t be an above average hitter. Even with his warts, he should be a league average hitter if he can hit 25 HRs, which would be plenty with his defense and base-running. I wonder what 4 year contract would cost. Yes I understand who his agent is. His skill level with speed and defense would be worth say 4 years at 10 million per year. I don't want to give him away for nothing...and I sure don't want to pay him 20 million per year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 13 minutes ago, poppysox said: I wonder what 4 year contract would cost. Yes I understand who his agent is. His skill level with speed and defense would be worth say 4 years at 10 million per year. I don't want to give him away for nothing...and I sure don't want to pay him 20 million per year. They have 2 years of options left. Why would they give him a 4 year deal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 7 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: They have 2 years of options left. Why would they give him a 4 year deal? Because poppysox doesn't want to pay $20M per. But Robert wouldn't take 4/40. He would gamble on himself for a season to get back to some semblance of what he was. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 8 minutes ago, WestEddy said: Because poppysox doesn't want to pay $20M per. But Robert wouldn't take 4/40. He would gamble on himself for a season to get back to some semblance of what he was. Exactly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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