Robert Jr. Dodgers Trade Rumor Per Nightengale

[caulfield12]

32 minutes ago, TheFutureIsNear said:

His best/only full season was a year he had a .315 OBP. He is/was always an extremely flawed free swinging hitter. The league adjusted and it’s painfully obvious he’s not capable of counter adjusting and will continue to flail at pitches out of the zone. 
And cool, he’s athletic and a good fielder…when he’s not missing 50+ games a year with nagging injuries. 

 

Luis Robert Jr is on his way to a Kevin Pillar type career. The sooner you accept that the less it will hurt.
 

 

 

 

Pillar never had close to 30 homer power...

[Bob Sacamano]

Trade him and move on.

[WhiteSox2023]

11 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Pillar never had close to 30 homer power...

He did hit 21 homers twice.

[caulfield12]

10 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Trade him and move on.

There's absolutely no need to hurry a trade because that just means they'll have to play Michael Taylor everyday in CF...which will end up with him getting hurt, too.

Then who you do play in CF?   Greg Jones?  Fletcher?

[caulfield12]

8 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

He did hit 21 homers twice.

114 / 13 career seasons averages out to about 8.8 homers per season, though...

[Bob Sacamano]

11 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

There's absolutely no need to hurry a trade because that just means they'll have to play Michael Taylor everyday in CF...which will end up with him getting hurt, too.

Then who you do play in CF?   Greg Jones?  Fletcher?

If Outman is a throw-in piece, launch Taylor.

[caulfield12]

11 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

If Outman is a throw-in piece, launch Taylor.

That's fine, but it's still not a long-term solution to trust Outman at this point, not after 2024 and what happened to Miguel Vargas since the trade...

The only CF on the minor league map is Braden Montgomery, and he's ideally ticketed for RF because of his plus arm and range being just average or a tick below for center (that is, unless you trust "fixing" Greg Jones).

 

Unless they're totally desperate to dump salary (sad, in and of itself), then they have to get de Paula back.   Hope is more of a LF imo, although he can play CF as well.

[CWSpalehoseCWS]

5 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

Getz pretty much has until the trade deadline to trade Robert, unless you think Jerry is actually going to approve picking up his $20 million dollar option for next season.  Salary is being cut from the payroll year after year so it’s pretty apparent that he won’t be back.

That's assuming Robert makes it to the deadline without an IL stint. I wanted Robert moved before the season. I have no faith the guy is going to stay healthy to be a valuable trade asset. 

[Chicago White Sox]

1 hour ago, TheFutureIsNear said:

His best/only full season was a year he had a .315 OBP. He is/was always an extremely flawed free swinging hitter. The league adjusted and it’s painfully obvious he’s not capable of counter adjusting and will continue to flail at pitches out of the zone. 
And cool, he’s athletic and a good fielder…when he’s not missing 50+ games a year with nagging injuries. 

 

Luis Robert Jr is on his way to a Kevin Pillar type career. The sooner you accept that the less it will hurt.
 

 

 

 

He is a flawed free swinging hitter with elite power who can play CF.  If you can’t connect the dots on why that may still be super valuable, then there is no point in debating this further.

And you say he can’t adjust, but coming into today his chase rate was the best of his career, his BB rate was the best of his career, and his K rate was the best since 2022.  The only thing holding him back right now is a fucked launch angle, which history suggests will revert back to the norm.  But hey, keep lumping him in with Eloy Jimenez because that makes all sort of sense.

[Bob Sacamano]

1 hour ago, caulfield12 said:

That's fine, but it's still not a long-term solution to trust Outman at this point, not after 2024 and what happened to Miguel Vargas since the trade...

The only CF on the minor league map is Braden Montgomery, and he's ideally ticketed for RF because of his plus arm and range being just average or a tick below for center (that is, unless you trust "fixing" Greg Jones).

 

Unless they're totally desperate to dump salary (sad, in and of itself), then they have to get de Paula back.   Hope is more of a LF imo, although he can play CF as well.

I didn’t say anything about long-term but ok……

Edited Monday at 02:50 AM by Bob Sacamano

[Bob Sacamano]

32 minutes ago, CWSpalehoseCWS said:

That's assuming Robert makes it to the deadline without an IL stint. I wanted Robert moved before the season. I have no faith the guy is going to stay healthy to be a valuable trade asset. 

Agreed

[46DidIt]

Not sure Robert can be considered to have elite power when he just went 46 games without a home run

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

10 hours ago, TheFutureIsNear said:

I see most are still delusional about Robert?
There’s a better chance he gets released at the end of the year than traded for any meaningful prospects. How long of a stretch do you need to see of a guy not being good at hitting a baseball before reality sets in? 
 

Are we also waiting on the turn around for TA, Eloy, and Yoan? Or is Robert special for some weird reason?

None of those other guys had almost a 5 fWAR as recently as 2023. However that was the only season he played more than 100 games. He does however still run like the wind and field his position very well. IF he starts hitting the WAR starts piling up.

The problem with him now is trying to adjust to the fact they aren't going to throw him a lot of strikes so he's laying off more pitches and thus getting more walks than he ever has . The problem that goes along with that is the timing where he's not swinging because he's looking at it a micro second longer is also causing him to be late on his swings.

I would recommend a lighter bat so when he does swing maybe the bat gets through the zone that fraction of a second faster that he's losing on his swing decisions.

[Squirmin' for Yermin]

21 hours ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

I’m assuming that the prospect would be Josue De Paula based on past conversations. 

wowza. Sign me up. I do De Paula and Outman in a heartbeat

[Snopek]

11 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

There's absolutely no need to hurry a trade because that just means they'll have to play Michael Taylor everyday in CF...which will end up with him getting hurt, too.

Then who you do play in CF?   Greg Jones?  Fletcher?

They shouldn’t hurry a trade, but they also shouldn’t delay a trade because there’s no obvious CF replacement.

Whoever they put out there will not be good, so it doesn’t really matter.

[MiddleCoastBias]

11 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

There's absolutely no need to hurry a trade because that just means they'll have to play Michael Taylor everyday in CF...which will end up with him getting hurt, too.

Then who you do play in CF?   Greg Jones?  Fletcher?

This is not a limiting factor and not a reason to delay any a Robert trade. They could put Southpaw in centerfield and it wouldn't impact the trajectory of this team. 

Make the moves to make the team better in the future. The present is not a concern.

[caulfield12]

2 hours ago, MiddleCoastBias said:

This is not a limiting factor and not a reason to delay any a Robert trade. They could put Southpaw in centerfield and it wouldn't impact the trajectory of this team. 

Make the moves to make the team better in the future. The present is not a concern.

Well...it is if they want to have a strong defense and in still confidence in one of the younger staffs in the night leagues outside of Perez.

Unless we also (already) believe that Cannon Martin Burke and Smith all won't be on the next Sox playoff team.

Edited Monday at 02:51 PM by caulfield12

[WestEddy]

13 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Well...it is if they want to have a strong defense and in still confidence in one of the younger staffs in the night leagues outside of Perez.

Unless we also (already) believe that Cannon Martin Burke and Smith all won't be on the next Sox playoff team.

You seem to think the team should make no moves unless the next 15 years are set in place. Michael A. Taylor is a very good CF. His offense is lacking, but he provides strong defense. If you get James Outman in return, he's a good defensive CF, too, for the near term.

Shane Smith could be here in 2030. The other three could be gone/traded by then, either due to performance, or moves for prospects to make room for Schultz/Smith/Taylor. 

[Bob Sacamano]

7 minutes ago, WestEddy said:

You seem to think the team should make no moves unless the next 15 years are set in place. Michael A. Taylor is a very good CF. His offense is lacking, but he provides strong defense. If you get James Outman in return, he's a good defensive CF, too, for the near term.

Shane Smith could be here in 2030. The other three could be gone/traded by then, either due to performance, or moves for prospects to make room for Schultz/Smith/Taylor. 

Yeah and if you get Outman as a throw in, you don’t even need Taylor.

[ChiSox59]

I was on team hold Robert until this summer to increase value.  But honestly, I'd happily take De Paula or Freeland + one of Kyle Hurt/River Ryan/Nick Frasso/Maddux Bruns + James Outman right now.  

Robert is a couple more bad months away from being a salary dump if he doesn't improve.  He's a very talented player, and I fully expect him blossom with his next team, but at some point something is better than nothing.  

Outman does nothing for me in particular, but De Paula or Freeman do, and Dodgers have slew of major league ready or close to MLB ready SP that we could get a 20+ starts to. But I'd happily play Outman in an OF corner over most of our current options. 

[Bob Sacamano]

10 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said:

I was on team hold Robert until this summer to increase value.  But honestly, I'd happily take De Paula or Freeland + one of Kyle Hurt/River Ryan/Nick Frasso/Maddux Bruns + James Outman right now.  

Robert is a couple more bad months away from being a salary dump if he doesn't improve.  He's a very talented player, and I fully expect him blossom with his next team, but at some point something is better than nothing.  

Outman does nothing for me in particular, but De Paula or Freeman do, and Dodgers have slew of major league ready or close to MLB ready SP that we could get a 20+ starts to. But I'd happily play Outman in an OF corner over most of our current options. 

Give me De Paula, one of the IL’d starters, and Outman (or PTBNL if you can instead).

[southsider2k5]

20 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said:

I was on team hold Robert until this summer to increase value.  But honestly, I'd happily take De Paula or Freeland + one of Kyle Hurt/River Ryan/Nick Frasso/Maddux Bruns + James Outman right now.  

Robert is a couple more bad months away from being a salary dump if he doesn't improve.  He's a very talented player, and I fully expect him blossom with his next team, but at some point something is better than nothing.  

Outman does nothing for me in particular, but De Paula or Freeman do, and Dodgers have slew of major league ready or close to MLB ready SP that we could get a 20+ starts to. But I'd happily play Outman in an OF corner over most of our current options. 

If we got a top guy, plus a second tier guy from the Dodgers, it's a win.  Outman is just a roster spot to open for LA, and a spot holding guy for the Sox.  If we get one of the LAD top guys only, we missed out by not sending some cash to Cincy and getting two of their top position prospects as was discussed this off-season.

[pcq]

If he fades any more he will be invisible. One  of the all time under-achievers. 

[Harold's Leg Lift]

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[ChiSox59]

13 minutes ago, pcq said:

If he fades any more he will be invisible. One  of the all time under-achievers. 

Pretty tough to call at guy with a 4.2 fWAR per 162 games play an "all time under-achiever".  Obviously staying on the field has been a challenge, and Robert has not reached his potential, but he's still a very productive big leaguer when he plays.  He's frustrating as hell because he is so talented and the 24-25 have not been good, but this is guy just entering his prime years.  He's far from an all time under achiever.