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3 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:

I mean, Robert’s career .203 ISO would rank 40th overall amongst qualified hitters right now and his .278 ISO in 2023 would rank 14th this year.  You may think his 2023 ISO is flukey, but we’re talking about a guy with 92% percentile bat speed and 97% percentile Max EV.  The dude is a legit power hitter who just happens to play CF.  His game power may not always be super elite, but let’s not pretend he’s not well above average overall.

I’m looking at a guy with 19 homers across 518 at bats since the start of 2024. He’s also been a consistent 84 wRC+ hitter both seasons. There’s nothing well above average about that offensive production. Yes, 2023 was well above average output but it certainly doesn’t seem like he’s going to replicate that season again (just like I don’t see Mullins replicating 2021). At least not with the White Sox.

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13 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

This just reads like how the Sox operate in free agency. Instead of the top rated guys, we try to squint and find the almost as good guy for cheaper.

To take the vision metaphor one step further, I feel like they purposely take off their glasses so they can do the squinting thing.

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It wasn’t smart to think Robert would increase his trade value while hitting in this lineup.  If they wanted to deal him for something of value, why not pick up a couple of cheap vets a couple years ago to put around him to increase the probability of him putting up positive numbers these last 2 years?  Someone to drive in?  Someone capable of driving him in?  If not, why not just move him for the low return that will match the player he is in this lineup?  They could have already had their AA bust player for 2 years and saved that poor guy getting his hopes up for developing properly and becoming something.
 

How about initiating some sort of plan to trigger some sort of statistical relevance to his ABs?  Are they banking on his value coming from what he’s maybe capable of doing in a good lineup?   

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15 hours ago, FT35 said:

It wasn’t smart to think Robert would increase his trade value while hitting in this lineup.  If they wanted to deal him for something of value, why not pick up a couple of cheap vets a couple years ago to put around him to increase the probability of him putting up positive numbers these last 2 years?  Someone to drive in?  Someone capable of driving him in?  If not, why not just move him for the low return that will match the player he is in this lineup?  They could have already had their AA bust player for 2 years and saved that poor guy getting his hopes up for developing properly and becoming something.
 

How about initiating some sort of plan to trigger some sort of statistical relevance to his ABs?  Are they banking on his value coming from what he’s maybe capable of doing in a good lineup?   

There's no such thing as a cheap veteran who is consistent enough to do as you suggest. They picked up cheap veterans Tauchman, Slater, Rojas and they all got injured.

Anyone who cost over $5M they weren't signing. And even then a $10M per year player who is a little better expects a multi year contract when they are a free agent. 

What you suggested either does not exist or was not an option for Reinsdorf. If I was to make wishes I would've wished for a lot more than you did. They pretty much had the same chance of happening the past couple off seasons.

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12 minutes ago, PaleAleSox said:

Bob's article today says the Mets are showing interest and the Sox are eye Blake Tidwell as part of it. 

Tidwell is a 45 FV prospect. Nice. Him and someone like Eli Serrano is about what I would expect in return for Robert. But need to trade Robert soon before injuries become a concern again.

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22 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said:

The Mets definitely need an upgrade in CF.  They made a run at Robert late in spring trainng.   

For?  Baty is off the market.

Alvarez is not a need.

We have a handful of Luisangel Acunas...

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13 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

For?  Baty is off the market.

Alvarez is not a need.

We have a handful of Luisangel Acunas...

A lot of people around here disliked the idea of Baty and Acuna in return for Robert a few months ago. Highly doubt the Sox get a better package than that now.

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27 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

For?  Baty is off the market.

Alvarez is not a need.

We have a handful of Luisangel Acunas...

Not sure Baty is off the market. They don’t really have a spot for him. If I’m the Mets, I might try to sell high on him off a 5 game hot streak. I question whether he’s a fit for the Sox. They have a lot of 3b types. Would they move him to 1b? LF? Not exactly premium return. If I could get Robert for Baty and a low level minor leaguer, I would jump on it.

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2 hours ago, Harold's Leg Lift said:

The Mets definitely need an upgrade in CF.  They made a run at Robert late in spring trainng.   

The Sox will not really have a decent CF if they trade him.

We shall find out how big that hole will be even in August.

Be an opposing GM and remove your sense of being a fan and you can easily think of reasons for not giving anything of value. 

 A guy who looks lost at the plate is going to look even worse if he had to face more NL pitching.

Sure you will probably get some minor leagues guys you will never hear of. We have plenty of those. Then there's always the soon to be DFA players. They got enough of those.

I don't seem the harm of keeping him other than the absurd business of baseball that my provide one sided results.

GMs also know the Sox are weak in identifying talent.  Oh maybe the Sox will get another pitcher that if somehow becomes very good they can trade him. The rinse and repeat of habitually losing small market teams.  The Central version of the Marlins.

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57 minutes ago, kitekrazy said:

The Sox will not really have a decent CF if they trade him.

We shall find out how big that hole will be even in August.

Be an opposing GM and remove your sense of being a fan and you can easily think of reasons for not giving anything of value. 

 A guy who looks lost at the plate is going to look even worse if he had to face more NL pitching.

Sure you will probably get some minor leagues guys you will never hear of. We have plenty of those. Then there's always the soon to be DFA players. They got enough of those.

I don't seem the harm of keeping him other than the absurd business of baseball that my provide one sided results.

GMs also know the Sox are weak in identifying talent.  Oh maybe the Sox will get another pitcher that if somehow becomes very good they can trade him. The rinse and repeat of habitually losing small market teams.  The Central version of the Marlins.

Just need someone who can run and get it. Michael Taylor is that guy. Long-term solution probably isn’t in the org yet.

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4 hours ago, PaleAleSox said:

Bob's article today says the Mets are showing interest and the Sox are eye Blake Tidwell as part of it. 

Just what the Sox need — another pitching prospect, and a bad one at that.  What an epic drop in value for Robert.

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36 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:

Just need someone who can run and get it. Michael Taylor is that guy. Long-term solution probably isn’t in the org yet.

That's where we fast track our most recent collegiate outfield first rounder (see 2025 pick when it comes in) into the 2027 OD outfield picture in CF with Braden in RF...maybe Benintendi is still in LF since JR will refuse to eat his salary until that final year.

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4 hours ago, Timmy U said:

Not sure Baty is off the market. They don’t really have a spot for him. If I’m the Mets, I might try to sell high on him off a 5 game hot streak. I question whether he’s a fit for the Sox. They have a lot of 3b types. Would they move him to 1b? LF? Not exactly premium return. If I could get Robert for Baty and a low level minor leaguer, I would jump on it.

I certainly wouldn't consider Baty off the market either, and If the Mets could trade Baty for Robert, I think they would do it in heartbeat. But I don't know what Baty does for the Sox at this stage of the rebuild. He feels like a Vargas type of acquisition, where former prospect status makes one think he has value, but the numbers in the Majors say otherwise. He's had nearly 700 AB's with the Mets, and had he hit consistently, he wouldn't have lost the starting 3B job to Vientos. I also believe he is out of options, so while he has a number of years of control left, he's basically another guy they have to roster or risk losing for nothing.

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15 minutes ago, PitchatRisktoZisk said:

Is Robert hurt? I haven't seen him in the lineup this weekend. 

Ouchy knee. They're giving him and Vargas (ouchy calf) a couple days off around the off day tomorrow to get them right. 

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9 hours ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

A lot of people around here disliked the idea of Baty and Acuna in return for Robert a few months ago. Highly doubt the Sox get a better package than that now.

Those guys are utility infielders.  I'd try to get someone like Boston Baro -  a guy deep in the minors but who could turn out to be something.  

I understand that Robert's numbers are poor so he's risky; but he's also high-reward.  Some team will pay for him.

 

 

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1 hour ago, GreenSox said:

Those guys are utility infielders.  I'd try to get someone like Boston Baro -  a guy deep in the minors but who could turn out to be something.  

I understand that Robert's numbers are poor so he's risky; but he's also high-reward.  Some team will pay for him.

 

 

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2 hours ago, GreenSox said:

Those guys are utility infielders.  I'd try to get someone like Boston Baro -  a guy deep in the minors but who could turn out to be something.  

I understand that Robert's numbers are poor so he's risky; but he's also high-reward.  Some team will pay for him.

 

 

Utility infielders that have a higher fWAR than Luis Robert this season.

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7 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:

Utility infielders that have a higher fWAR than Luis Robert this season.

Why spend money on a head case who has no leadership skills and just wants to chill. 

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2 hours ago, GreenSox said:

Those guys are utility infielders.  I'd try to get someone like Boston Baro -  a guy deep in the minors but who could turn out to be something.  

I understand that Robert's numbers are poor so he's risky; but he's also high-reward.  Some team will pay for him.

 

 

Not what the Sox once wanted, no.

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