The Mighty Mite Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 55 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: They have nothing to announce because there is no news. Unless Ishbia is willing to throw in a ton of money, since JR obviously won't, they'll continue to play at the Rate. The city and state isn't going to pay for a new stadium for them regardless of the location. Agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 1 hour ago, Tnetennba said: Target and the shops at Roosevelt seem to have zero issues existing on the north side of the Roosevelt viaduct, along with everything else that has been build the past 20+ years south of Polk. Far greater marvels of engineering have been accomplished throughout human history than building a stadium or two on former rail yards built atop reclaimed riverbed. But alas, we must endure one troll's unceasing quest to convince every reader on this forum that the site in question is uninhabitable, and any attempt to build will be swallowed up by ground that hasn't been riverbed in 100+ years... 🤦♀️ Yeah it’s not like we’re proposing anything outlandish like reversing the flow of a river. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 the thing that bodes well is when you think about how little Jerry probably wanted to do this Ishbia thing, but the lease ending seems to have forced something to come loose there. he seemed nowhere near progressing to a sale til circumstances seemed to turn here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WBWSF Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 3 hours ago, The Mighty Mite said: Agree. Assuming they build a stadium at the 78, the longer they wait to start building the stadium, the more it will cost. The Bears have said a number of times that they wanted to start building their new stadium this year. They maintain that the longer they wait the more it will cost. I'm told the Bears simply don't have the money for a new stadium. They have $2 billion dollars and need another $3 billion dollars which they don't have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 (edited) 4 hours ago, WBWSF said: Assuming they build a stadium at the 78, the longer they wait to start building the stadium, the more it will cost. The Bears have said a number of times that they wanted to start building their new stadium this year. They maintain that the longer they wait the more it will cost. I'm told the Bears simply don't have the money for a new stadium. They have $2 billion dollars and need another $3 billion dollars which they don't have. I call complete total BS. Plus the NFL offers individual teams the opportunity to get money for new stadium construction. The McCaskey family is no different from any other entitled sports owner, they expect the city/state for pay for it. Since the last Golden Age for the franchise (1984-1991) they have been absolutely one of the worst franchises in the NFL. You want money from the state and city? Put a damn good product of the field for a change, win something and then we'll talk. They have a lot of gall, just like JR. Edited July 1 by Lip Man 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WBWSF Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 13 minutes ago, Lip Man 1 said: I call complete total BS. Plus the NFL offers individual teams the opportunity to get money for new stadium construction. The McCaskey family is no different from any other entitles sports owner, they expect the city/state for pay for it. Since the last Golden Age for the franchise (1984-1991) they have been absolutely one of the worst franchises in the NFL. You want money from the state and city? Put a damn good product of the field for a change, win something and then we'll talk. They have a lot of gall, just like JR. The NFL offer is $300 million dollars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77 Hitmen Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 59 minutes ago, WBWSF said: Assuming they build a stadium at the 78, the longer they wait to start building the stadium, the more it will cost. The Bears have said a number of times that they wanted to start building their new stadium this year. They maintain that the longer they wait the more it will cost. I'm told the Bears simply don't have the money for a new stadium. They have $2 billion dollars and need another $3 billion dollars which they don't have. The new Titans domed stadium in Nashville costs $2.2B and the renderings of it look impressive. Why would a Bears stadium cost well over twice as much? And you're not wrong that a $5B price tag has been reported for a Bears stadium at AH. Is the other $3B for development of the rest of the Arlington Park property? As far as a Sox stadium at the 78, it's possible that the Ishbias' plan is to keep the Sox at their current location. If they are actually planning to privately finance a new stadium at the 78, who's to say they aren't working behind the scenes to make that happen? Sure, we fans want to know one way or another asap, but I don't expect them to think that they need to negotiate all their plans in public. Heck, has Justin Ishbia made any public announcement of his deal with Reinsdorf to (eventually) buy the Sox? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tnetennba Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 (edited) 5 hours ago, ptatc said: Its not that they cant build there. They question us, would is the cost. The MLS stadium is half the size. Maybe the engineering costs are to great for an MLB stadium to be economically feasible. And I have never once said that a build is impossible or that the pricetag wouldn't be steep. Talk to the dude grasping at straws as to why it's impossible, not the rest of us with a rational perspective. Edited June 30 by Tnetennba 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 20 minutes ago, Tnetennba said: And I have never once said that a build is impossible or that the pricetag wouldn't be steep. Talk to the dude grasping at straws as to why it's impossible, not the rest of us with a rational perspective. I know. Just a general reply to the topic and ine commrnt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77 Hitmen Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 1 hour ago, Lip Man 1 said: I call complete total BS. Plus the NFL offers individual teams the opportunity to get money for new stadium construction. The McCaskey family is no different from any other entitles sports owner, they expect the city/state for pay for it. Since the last Golden Age for the franchise (1984-1991) they have been absolutely one of the worst franchises in the NFL. You want money from the state and city? Put a damn good product of the field for a change, win something and then we'll talk. They have a lot of gall, just like JR. What's even more galling is that taxpayers are still on the hook for something like $600M from the last Soldier Field renovation in 2002. In a way, them asking for more taxpayer $ again for a new stadium is worse than JR's request (which is plenty galling) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 3 hours ago, 77 Hitmen said: The new Titans domed stadium in Nashville costs $2.2B and the renderings of it look impressive. Why would a Bears stadium cost well over twice as much? And you're not wrong that a $5B price tag has been reported for a Bears stadium at AH. Is the other $3B for development of the rest of the Arlington Park property? As far as a Sox stadium at the 78, it's possible that the Ishbias' plan is to keep the Sox at their current location. If they are actually planning to privately finance a new stadium at the 78, who's to say they aren't working behind the scenes to make that happen? Sure, we fans want to know one way or another asap, but I don't expect them to think that they need to negotiate all their plans in public. Heck, has Justin Ishbia made any public announcement of his deal with Reinsdorf to (eventually) buy the Sox? Ishbia released a statement through his company the day the agreement was announced by JR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 (edited) 22 hours ago, Tnetennba said: And I have never once said that a build is impossible or that the pricetag wouldn't be steep. Talk to the dude grasping at straws as to why it's impossible, not the rest of us with a rational perspective. Do your own due diligence. Start by visiting the site to gain a rational perspective. Edited July 1 by tray Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 12 minutes ago, tray said: Dude..... Do your own due diligence. Start by visiting the site. Go down there and tell us that is an ideal location...for anything. It's a shithole. I was living in Sunset Park right by Red Hook in the early aughts. It was, by any definition, an utter s%*# hole. Polluted, rusting, run down, roads in disrepair. By the time I left NYC in 5 years it was completely transformed and it was hard to believe it used to be so run down. Money talks, especially in these type of sites in dense cities that were once industrial and can be levelled and redesigned and upgraded in one fell swoop without worrying too much about existing homeowners and business. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 11 minutes ago, tray said: Dude..... Do your own due diligence. Start by visiting the site. Go down there and tell us that is an ideal location...for anything. It's a shithole. Of course it is. But that doesn't make it unbuildable in modern engineering. WAY more difficult blocks and buildings have been built on in this country. There isn't anything about that lot that isn't fixable. We have built on reclaimed rivers, oceans, swamps, lakes, etc. We have built on landfills, dumps, railways, and everything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 8 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: Of course it is. But that doesn't make it unbuildable in modern engineering. WAY more difficult blocks and buildings have been built on in this country. There isn't anything about that lot that isn't fixable. We have built on reclaimed rivers, oceans, swamps, lakes, etc. We have built on landfills, dumps, railways, and everything else. There is no issue about what could be done. There is an issue about why one would move to that site...but you would have to go down there and look to see it for yourself. Look at the site plan for the proposed Fire stadium closely. The architectural firm attempted to address issues like the differences in elevation with Roosevelt and Clark, the Metra tracks, and access to the site. What do you think about that plan? What do you like or dislike about it, specifically? Would you like the WSox to build there? Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 8 minutes ago, tray said: There is no issue about what could be done. There is an issue about why one would move to that site...but you would have to go down there and look to see it for yourself. Look at the site plan for the proposed Fire stadium closely. The architectural firm attempted to address issues like the differences in elevation with Roosevelt and Clark, the Metra tracks, and access to the site. What do you think about that plan? What do you like or dislike about it, specifically? Would you like the WSox to build there? Why? I have walked past it dozens of times, as I previously told you. It is also one of the very few truly open lots in the city of Chicago of any size, hence the attractiveness of being able to plan something big from the ground up. It is located close enough to downtown to be able involve pretty much any and all modes of transit, making it a more accessible ballpark for those visiting the city, as well as those in the metro area. As for the rest of it, I am not taking your bait to debate a non-existent plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tray Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 (edited) 7 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: I have walked past it dozens of times, as I previously told you. It is also one of the very few truly open lots in the city of Chicago of any size, hence the attractiveness of being able to plan something big from the ground up. It is located close enough to downtown to be able involve pretty much any and all modes of transit, making it a more accessible ballpark for those visiting the city, as well as those in the metro area. As for the rest of it, I am not taking your bait to debate a non-existent plan. Not sure where you walked past it or why. There are few reasons to be down there walking around and it is not one of the safest areas at night. There is a site plan for the Fire stadium at the 78. Spend a little time and study it since you claim to be familiar with the area. Note the limited access from elevated roads, the obstruction of the Clark street ramp, the way the Metra tracks cut off road access, etc. After looking at that plan, I would not be surprised if the Fire buck out of that site just like others have. Edited July 2 by tray Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WBWSF Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 On 6/30/2025 at 4:30 PM, 77 Hitmen said: The new Titans domed stadium in Nashville costs $2.2B and the renderings of it look impressive. Why would a Bears stadium cost well over twice as much? And you're not wrong that a $5B price tag has been reported for a Bears stadium at AH. Is the other $3B for development of the rest of the Arlington Park property? As far as a Sox stadium at the 78, it's possible that the Ishbias' plan is to keep the Sox at their current location. If they are actually planning to privately finance a new stadium at the 78, who's to say they aren't working behind the scenes to make that happen? Sure, we fans want to know one way or another asap, but I don't expect them to think that they need to negotiate all their plans in public. Heck, has Justin Ishbia made any public announcement of his deal with Reinsdorf to (eventually) buy the Sox? The Browns just announced that their new suburban domed stadium will be $2.6 billion dollars. Seems odd that the Bears proposed stadium is double the cost of the Browns stadium. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lip Man 1 Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 3 hours ago, WBWSF said: The Browns just announced that their new suburban domed stadium will be $2.6 billion dollars. Seems odd that the Bears proposed stadium is double the cost of the Browns stadium. Good point but I'm sure other issues are also involved in the Bears search as opposed to the Browns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 On 7/1/2025 at 1:46 PM, chitownsportsfan said: I was living in Sunset Park right by Red Hook in the early aughts. It was, by any definition, an utter s%*# hole. Polluted, rusting, run down, roads in disrepair. By the time I left NYC in 5 years it was completely transformed and it was hard to believe it used to be so run down. Money talks, especially in these type of sites in dense cities that were once industrial and can be levelled and redesigned and upgraded in one fell swoop without worrying too much about existing homeowners and business. Man, I moved from Flatbush to Crown Heights (for-NYC people, one neighborhood over). While I still visit some old haunts, since I don't live there to see incremental change, one day I was going through my old block and half of it went from early 2000s, pre-war NYC buildings to 8+ story modern buildings, a bunch of new grocery stores and the existing stores all went through massive facelifts. s%*# happened FAST. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 5 hours ago, WBWSF said: The Browns just announced that their new suburban domed stadium will be $2.6 billion dollars. Seems odd that the Bears proposed stadium is double the cost of the Browns stadium. Welcome to Illinois! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 37 minutes ago, Quin said: Man, I moved from Flatbush to Crown Heights (for-NYC people, one neighborhood over). While I still visit some old haunts, since I don't live there to see incremental change, one day I was going through my old block and half of it went from early 2000s, pre-war NYC buildings to 8+ story modern buildings, a bunch of new grocery stores and the existing stores all went through massive facelifts. s%*# happened FAST. I lived in Crown Heights at Sterling Place between Nostrand and Bedstuy from 2006-2008. I went back and visited in 2015. Not even recognizable. Completely gentrified. Maybe 50/50 black and carib and then white. When I was there it was like 90/10. I'm sure in 2025 I wouldn't recognize a single place. Maybe like a pizza joint or something is still there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77 Hitmen Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 On 7/4/2025 at 2:04 PM, ptatc said: Welcome to Illinois! While more expensive for sure, I doubt that being in IL would more than double the price of a stadium. There has to be more to the $5B figure than just the stadium itself. We'll see what happens in the fall IL legislative session. One of the state reps suggested they were really close to a deal, but ran out of time in the spring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 11 hours ago, 77 Hitmen said: While more expensive for sure, I doubt that being in IL would more than double the price of a stadium. There has to be more to the $5B figure than just the stadium itself. We'll see what happens in the fall IL legislative session. One of the state reps suggested they were really close to a deal, but ran out of time in the spring. Working in Illinois does double projects like that. The state of Illinois is a cesspool of grift and incompetency. I would venture to guess that in cook county 75% of the people are union grifters and government workers (who are also union). I would love to see the cost to build the stadium in NW indiana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77 Hitmen Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 The new Washington Commanders stadium 1 hour ago, Harry Chappas said: Working in Illinois does double projects like that. The state of Illinois is a cesspool of grift and incompetency. I would venture to guess that in cook county 75% of the people are union grifters and government workers (who are also union). I would love to see the cost to build the stadium in NW indiana. So, you think that 75% of all the people in Cook Country are grifters or (gasp) government workers? And that being in a union automatically makes someone a grifter? Sounds far fetched. And I'm not sure what government workers have to do with building a new stadium. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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