KipWellsFan Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 I honestly wasn't too upset at his managing tonight. What should he have done tonight? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesoxfan99 Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 I wasn't upset either. He did stay with Paniagua a little to long but no harm no foul. Personally I probably would have just stayed with Schoenweiss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 I'd of left Shoenweiss in their personally. Â I don't gripe with the decision, but Scho or Wunsch would of been the guys I went to. That or Koch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac9001 Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 He should have pulled Paniagua after he gave up that second hit, this is no time to be f***ing around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 Considering the fact that Schoen and SUlly are getting lots of work, and Marte and Gordon are WAY overworked...that leaves you Adkins, Wunsch, Koch and Paniagua. I go with Koch there, the guy has been getting hit around, but I still think he gets 3 outs without anyone else having to come in. Paniagua hasn't had any succes in MLB in quite some time, he got cut twice in ST. What makes anyone think that he is suddenly gonna be effective? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarkdog Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 I'd be lying if I said I wasn't screaming at my television while Paniagua was grooving pitches - he was getting squeezed a bit - I head he got ejected. But Manuel has play the hand he is dealt and he needs to get guys like Schoenwies, Paniagua, and Koch work if we are serious about this drive. We will need them to throw some innings for mop up or set up duty. Â I would have liked to see Koch. Ending that game would have been good for his confidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted September 10, 2003 Author Share Posted September 10, 2003 I just think that being up 6 you just have to get some work for those guys (Koch, Paniagua and Adkins). You aren't going to get many opportunities... Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxrd5 Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 I agree...I wouldve felt more comfortable with Koch....SCREW Paniagua!!!! PLUS HE GOT EJECTED!!! WHAT A JACKASS!!!! How the F*ck can you argue balls and strikes after throwing cock shots and getting jacked all over the field....I dont think hes gonna see action for the rest of the season... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted September 10, 2003 Author Share Posted September 10, 2003 He should have pulled Paniagua after he gave up that second hit, this is no time to be f***ing around. I guess Manuel's only mistake would have been leaving him in for too long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KipWellsFan Posted September 10, 2003 Author Share Posted September 10, 2003 I agree...I wouldve felt more comfortable with Koch....SCREW Paniagua!!!! PLUS HE GOT EJECTED!!! WHAT A JACKASS!!!! How the F*ck can you argue balls and strikes after throwing cock shots and getting jacked all over the field....I dont think hes gonna see action for the rest of the season... Him getting ejected disgusted me, just sit down and sulk by yourself on the bench.  That is not the kind of attitude you want to show in your first game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeithFranklin Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 He should have left Sullivan in then bring Schoenweis in and let him start the ninth. If he got in trouble then brought in Gordon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 I honestly wasn't too upset at his managing tonight. What should he have done tonight? He was right to empty out the Pen after Burhle was done. Who knew what a s***bag Panty-agua was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxrd5 Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 Him getting ejected disgusted me, just sit down and sulk by yourself on the bench. That is not the kind of attitude you want to show in your first game. I agree....we dont have room for a sore loser like "Bread and Water"...    I did here he was throwing out the :finger from the dugout!!! Lol...What an ass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2003 Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 LOL...Well according to this thread Paniaqua sucks and he's done for the rest of the season. Calm down guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 Would have stayed with schoe, but at least we found out that Jose is absolutely positively unusable in any critical situations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 Would have stayed with schoe, but at least we found out that Jose is absolutely positively unusable in any critical situations. From the right side of the plate at least Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxrd5 Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 LOL...Well according to this thread Paniaqua sucks and he's done for the rest of the season. Calm down guys. LOL...yeah we might be a little hard on him....BUT DO YOU HONESTLY THINK HES GONNA SEE ACTION AGAIN THIS YEAR? Doubtful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmmmmbeeer Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 I agree with bringing Paniagua into the game in an8-2 situation as well. I would have MUCH rather seen Koch, you know, the guy we gave up Keith Foulke for. I think that we'd paid high enough of a price to get to see the guy since his "rehab" assignment. Â With that said, f*** JERRY MANUEL :fyou !!!!!!! This isn't the 67th game of the season against the Detroit Tigers. This is the biggest series, and therefore the biggest game, of the season to date. As soon as the Devil Ray flunkee gives up two hits he's GOT TO BE PULLED, no questions asked. Perhaps no one was warm in the pen, I know that Marte and Gordon were warming, but I don't know at what point they started. Also, leaving Flash in against Jones was questionable at best. We have the best LHRP in the league warm in the pen and JM goes with a gut call. This guy cannot manage a pen. I was ecstatic when we got to the 9th inning thinking to myself how much of a statement this game was turning out to be. I should have known that JM would find a way to take an 8-2 lead and turn it into a momentum builder for the Twinkies. What's even worse is that tomorrow, atleast in my opinion, is the 1 game of the series, with Santana pitching, that we need to be ready for a true battle to score runs. Way to go jm, I hope we keep you around for another 5 years!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queen Prawn Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 I guess Manuel's only mistake would have been leaving him in for too long. That's the only mistake I think he made. You have to keep a guy like P (someone who hasn't been in the MLB for awhile) on a short leash. Manuel game him enough rope to hang himself and potentially the rest of the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 Would have stayed with schoe, but at least we found out that Jose is absolutely positively unusable in any critical situations. critical situations? He's useless when we're up 6 runs, I'd hate to think of the damage he'd do in a close game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 What he should have done is MADE SURE that there was no chance that the Twins had a shot to get back into the game. Â Obviously, he didn't do that. Â And for that, he is a complete moron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 he should have been able to get through the ninth with Sullivan, Schoeneweis and WUNSCH.  this was no time to experiment with some guy who was pitching in the Pan-Am Games a month ago.  he ain't the guy who pitched for Seattle three years ago  even manuel admitted in the post-game that he gave the Twinkies a little life for tomorrow.  that was flat-out dumb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 What he should have done is MADE SURE that there was no chance that the Twins had a shot to get back into the game. Obviously, he didn't do that.  And for that, he is a complete moron. And you can rip me all you want for saying that, but it's the TRUTH.  Here's to you JM for almost blowing the biggest game of the year by throwing a pitcher released in spring training by Tampa Bay.  :fyou :fyou :fyou :fyou :fyou :fyou :fyou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUKE_CLEVELAND Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 and WUNSCH. Excellent point. Why put in Panty-waste when a proven reliever is totally fresh & itching to get into the act? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted September 10, 2003 Share Posted September 10, 2003 What he should have done is MADE SURE that there was no chance that the Twins had a shot to get back into the game. Obviously, he didn't do that.  And for that, he is a complete moron. And you can rip me all you want for saying that, but it's the TRUTH.  Here's to you JM for almost blowing the biggest game of the year by throwing a pitcher released in spring training by Tampa Bay.  :fyou :fyou :fyou :fyou :fyou :fyou :fyou Why rip you when you are right ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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