Jenksismyhero
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3 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:
Waste of time.
Lol, you considered it for less than 5 minutes. So typical. "Does not fit my narrative, immediately ignore."
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Very long, but an interesting perspective here.
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My secretary and her family all got it this weekend. Well, at least one confirmed this weekend, but they all had/have the same symptoms for the last couple weeks (gradually increasing in severity). Despite Trump's promise that anyone who wants a test can get one, only one of them could get tested because she was ultimately admitted to the hospital. The other two were not admitted, and the hospital staff explained that they could not waste a test on someone who was not admitted. One of them also went to the ER a week ago with the same symptoms, and instead of being tested, they were chastised for coming to the ER to begin with.
Communication on this issue is really piss poor at basically every level it sounds like.
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8 minutes ago, mqr said:
The disruption is what is going to cause the social change not necessarily the virus itself. There are going to be A LOT more poor people in 2021 than there were in 2019.
A lot of this economic disruption is short term though. Once businesses can operate again, most of those jobs will come back. Sure, not all will, not all businesses will re-open, and for those that do, it may take some time to get back to where they were before this. But the reason the economy is tanking is not because the fundamentals are bad. It's because the government literally told people to stop going to work.
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3 minutes ago, Soxbadger said:
I think that this is going to change how we travel, how we conduct business, how we manage biological security. I think you are going to see dramatic changes in how the US looks at virus and other disease research.
Im just saying if the US completely changed life over a fluke terrorist attack, what is society (not just the US) going to do over a pandemic that has brought the world to a standstill.
But you won't see that on a personal level like after 9/11. Businesses may clean more, for example, but that's behind the scenes. Travel won't change for the average person (I can't see them implementing mandatory health checks for each flight...they aren't even doing that in the height of the pandemic). And yeah, hopefully the government takes this seriously and keeps a pandemic response/biological security team in place, but we had that just a few years ago and no one thought about it.
On a personal, day to day level, this doesn't compare to the effects of 9/11 except for the disruption which I grant you will be months, not weeks.
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2 minutes ago, Soxbadger said:
Unfortunately I think this is going to change our lives more than 9/11. 9/11 was a stupid fluke terrorist attack. This impacted human civilization.
A fluke terrorist attack that changed how we travel, how we conduct business, how we manage our security, etc. We created a whole new division of our government/military because of it. Our entire worldview changed because of it.
You think we'll keep practicing social distancing after this? Buying more delivery/curbside food? You think sports leagues will close forever? The only change I see sticking is being more mindful of washing our hands. Maybe telecommuting will be more common (businesses have now been forced to try it and they'll likely see productivity doesn't drop at all). That's about it.
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3 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:
30% unemployment is a crisis. If you're 65 you likely served in Vietnam, so thanks for your service. But do you know that more people will likely die in this virus than all US losses in Vietnam? By a factor of 2-3 even?
This is much worse than the fake ass crisis in Vietnam, with the now discredited domino theory of Soviet expansion. I mean, my mom is 66, this is the worst thing she says that's ever happened, not even close.
This is the worst crisis since WWII, that is more than fair to say.
The economic impact is historical for sure, but similar to the great depression (assuming we get to that point). 675k people died in the US from the spanish flu so....this isn't even the worst pandemic for our country, let alone the worst crisis in general.
And frankly the number of deaths doesn't make a crisis more or less "historical." 9/11 had 3k or less victims and to me, that was more of a crisis than this. It literally changed every aspect of our lives and still does. This coronavirus is going to be a short term, "boy that was a weird couple of months!" blip. As soon as this passes we'll go right back to how we were before (with hopefully a better procedure/practice for preventing the next one).
Again, when you overstate the problem, people discount it. Why even talk in such extremes? It's a serious fucking problem. That's all that needs to be said.
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19 hours ago, NWINFan said:
This is what I find amazing about this crisis: No matter how polarized the country has been and is, we should have had an easy time agreeing that this is the most dire crisis we have faced in the history of our country. Instead, we get talk about hoaxes and conspiracies and speculation that is okay if older people die to save the economy. I keep hearing that "we are all in this together." I don't think that's true yet. And that's really scary.
This right here is why you have the hoax/conspiracy nuts. Young people (under 30) have a terrible understanding of history and how society today compares. So when you say crap like this, the Trump supporter who is 65-75 and has seen some worse shit (e.g., being forced to go to war vs. being forced to stay home and watch TV all day) immediately discounts it. This isn't the most dire crisis this country has faced. It probably doesn't even rank in the top 5. It's a serious, serious problem though and overstating it's seriousness is just as detrimental as understating it.
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So what's the running theory on why the European countries have such a higher mortality rate than the US? Stronger strain of the virus?
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1 hour ago, pcq said:
My friend The Resurrection begins on Easter.
Trump can talk all he wants about this but states have taken the lead and continue to do so. My guess is if the medical community is saying we're not ready by Easter, Cuomo, Pritzker, Newsom, etc. will extend the shelter-in-place orders.
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1 hour ago, StrangeSox said:
local food banks, generally they prefer cash, would probably be pretty good
there was some talk of cruise lines being bailed out earlier:
foreign-built boats, registered under foreign flags to avoid US labor and other laws, but will get a cut of that corporate welfare.
That should absolutely be part of this stimulus. They were able to restrict Trump (and WH and Congressional staff/family) from getting this money, they should also exclude any company that has dodged federal laws/taxes in the last decade.
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10 hours ago, Balta1701 said:
1. It's not just the deaths of the elderly and the high risk population. There are plenty of "low-risk" people who die, so yes if you could somehow do what you're suggesting, you still kill hundreds of thousands this year rather than millions
2. It's not just the deaths. You are asking 10-20 million people or something like that to come down with very severe illnesses that hospitalize them for weeks, put them in medical care for weeks, kill extras because of the ventilators, there's not enough doctors trained in this country to do what you're proposing even if you could build enough hospitals quick enough. You can do that if the ill are in the tens of thousands, not tens of millions. This is why I mentioned the cancer patient. This is why I mentioned a person with a heart attack. How many heart attacks are there each year in this country? What does a heart attack victim do if the hospitals are full? They die.
3. There's no feasible way to do it, as if you let it burn through the 200 million "so-called healthy people" with a 0.2% chance of dying or whatever, then those people are going to go talk to their parents. They're going to buy food at the same grocery store as the others. They're going to the doctor. They're going to the pharmacy. You can't just say "Oh I'm sorry you can't go get your chemo drugs, you might die there's a virus" - the things that make them high risk will also kill them.
4. You seem to think that there's some strategy here that avoids a "great depression" but what you just proposed is a great depression. 10-20 million people out of work for weeks at a time while they're ill. Health care bills in the tens of thousands of dollars for each of them. Hundreds of thousands of supposedly healthy people dead. And 1/3 of the population somehow permanently quarantined for a year. This is another great depression.
5. Frankly, if you gave me the choice, I would live off my savings for a year and say *bleep* you to your plan even if I was 100% healthy. So even if another 25% of the population revolts against this plan, now you've got 1/2 of the population either sick or refusing to participate or under your mandatory quarantine.
6. Please note that the "extremely well respected" people you are referring to think that every version of what you're saying is horrifying and unworkable.
There is 1 setup out there to avoid your feared depression that has been proposed. It is "shut everything down right now immediately". Beat the peak down, as we have seen at least 4 countries do including China. Then, extremely aggressive testing and tracing - as we should have been doing in February when the government was frittering. It can work, it can get some things back to semi-normal. That's the only thing people have come up with.
I don't believe for a second China has beat this or has it under control. There are probably thousands or tens of thousands of bodies buried somewhere. The country that lied about this to start is now telling us the truth on their numbers? No chance.
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6 minutes ago, Texsox said:
Which is the extreme on one side. On the other extreme side is widespread starvation, looting, murders as people lose hope.
Let's hope we find a middle ground.
I agree!
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2 hours ago, Texsox said:
At this point whatever dire prediction anyone comes up seems possible.
At some point in the next couple weeks, we're going to have to have the conversation I brought up a week or two ago - whether these short term efforts are going to end up making things worse in the long term. 50% unemployment? Everyone on the government payroll? Economic shutdown until June? We're going to turn into a true nanny/socialist state with no hope of going back...
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14 minutes ago, turnin' two said:
Obviously there have been mistakes, and everything he has said needs to be basically ignored, but the Trump administration hasn't failed on all fronts. He got a lot of crap, being called racist and xenophobic (about standard) when he blocked travel to China. Which was absolutely the right move in retrospect. Same thing with Europe. He was called all sorts of names, and criticized for not blocking the UK and Ireland, where there were far fewer cases. Their cases spiked the next day and they were added to the ban. Those have all been, while unpopular, I believe, the right moves for containing this and slowing the spread across the US.
Also, not all the failures can be put on Trump, state level leadership has responsibility here as well.
With that said, we should have been better prepared. We saw what happened in China. But many (myself included) didn't believe it was that big of a deal. Many, also rightly, didn't trust any of the information coming out of China. Then South Korea and Japan seemed to have much milder results than Japan did. That made it easy to say this was overhyped. Then came Italy. Italy is the warning the world can believe. I can almost forgive and forget any opinions expressed about Corona before Italy happened. The testing here hasn't been acceptable. Especially with the time available. Since the middle of last week, I think the US has been on top of stuff, being very aggressive in terms of trying to cut this thing off. It hasn't all been federal, but it shouldn't be either. The states have broad powers to combat this sort of thing. It is ignorant and simple minded to just say "blame Trump" for all of this.
Policy choices and even timing of those choices aside, the absolute worst part of Trump is the manner in which he is addressing the nation. He is clearly flying by the seat of his pants. As soon as he speaks, everyone behind him (the actual grown-ups in the room) start shuffling in disbelief. He then exits the stage and the adults correct him and provide the calm, level-headed, truth that the country needs.
Today's slip that the 15-day guideline could go into August set the market spiraling. In fact each time he talks the market has tanked except for Friday. I don't understand why Trump is even talking publicly. Let this Dr. Fauci guy run the show, including all press conferences. Name him the pandemic czar and be done with it. The market, and country in general, will be so much better off.
The bolded is an interesting take since state governments have been leading the charge here. The WH is merely reacting to the news and copying states like California, Washington and New York, only 12-24 hours later.
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I can't imagine they'd close gas stations. They need delivery services to continue operating if we really do get shut down for a number of weeks.
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My family is supposed to go on spring break to Florida on Friday. Driving to a remote-ish island off the panhandle to a beach house we rented for the week. Not sure what to do now. We can quarantine ourselves there, be around way, way, way less people, and also save the non-refundable money I paid for the rental. But we also have the chance of being stuck there if a true shutdown starts (which may not be bad, but would be expensive if we had to pay the going rate for the rental).
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3 hours ago, soxfan49 said:
Expect a big announcement from the top soon, per my sources. All I can say is make sure you have food.
Yeah this is the crap we DON'T need right now. Unverified rumors. This just creates unnecessary panic.
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I bet the court system is next.
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Social distancing doesn't work when everyone and their mother is out shopping 😡
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2 hours ago, caulfield12 said:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/people-fully-recover-coronavirus-left-103917303.html
another reason this is quite different from the flu...People who recover from the coronavirus can still be left with substantially reduced lung functions, Hong Kong Hospital Authority have found after observing the first wave of discharged patients.
The doctors found a drop of 20% to 30% in lung capacity in two or three out of those 12 patients.
"They gasp if they walk a bit more quickly," said Dr Owen Tsang Tak-yin, an infectious-diseases expert at the authority, according to the South China Morning Post.
While it's too early to establish long-term effects of the illness, scans of nine patients in the group suggested that recovered patients had sustained organ damage, the Post reported.
Doesn't China have a HUGE smoking problem? Maybe pre-existing problems get enhanced by the virus.
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Illinois goes another year without appearing in the tournament. Dammit! They should at least do the selection show..... come on, man.
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3 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:
Ok guys, asking for advice: should I go to my chess club tonight or stay home?
What would you do? It's held in a community center so I'm a bit nervous.
WTF? Haven't you been complaining about people going out into public unnecessarily?
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5 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:
If you can’t expect that, then you can expect a few million deaths. We can’t fix that problem now, we have to treat the emergency situation.
Figure the rest out once we have limited the explosion.
How many millions died as a result of the great depression? If this is where a total shutdown gets us - which is what you seem to be advocating for - what's the point?
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So the data they speak about in the first 15 minutes - number of people tested, % of those people testing positive, and then deaths, all extrapolated out to the total population - is wrong based on what you've seen?