A Disgrace to Chicago

[LowerCaseRepublican]

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41564

 

A Chicago man has launched a website to mobilize millions of Americans to consign the American Civil Liberties Union to the "ash heap of history."

[NUKE_CLEVELAND]

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41564

 

A Chicago man has launched a website to mobilize millions of Americans to consign the American Civil Liberties Union to the "ash heap of history."

Thanks for providing a link. I despise the ACLU and was looking for a way to speak out.

[FlaSoxxJim]

Maybe it's Ashcroft incognito. Even stepping down, maybe he just can't get enough of wiping his ass with the Constitution.

[CrimsonWeltall]

What a nutcase

[NUKE_CLEVELAND]

Maybe it's Ashcroft incognito.  Even stepping down, maybe he just can't get enough of wiping his ass with the Constitution. 

The ACLU has been on the wrong side of everything since its sorry existence began.

 

Among its client list: Rapists, Murderers, Death Row Inmates, Klansmen, Pornographers, Pshyco Abortion protestors, militant enviro nuts,,,,the list goes on and on and on.

 

If that weren't enough they have been waging a court compaign to ensure that Christianity goes further into the closet than homosexuality while saying nothing at all about public displays of Islam and Judiasm on public proprety.

 

f*** these people. They are a symbol of everything thats wrong with America.

 

:fyou ACLU.

[CrimsonWeltall]

The ACLU has been on the wrong side of everything since its sorry existence began.

 

If you could name some examples, that would be helpful.

 

Among its client list: Rapists, Murderers, Death Row Inmates, Klansmen, Pornographers, Pshyco Abortion protestors, militant enviro nuts,,,,the list goes on and on and on.

 

What's your point? Even assholes and people who's opinion you don't like have rights.

 

I think Jerry Falwell and Rush Limbaugh are jackasses, but I don't fault the ACLU for helping them in their cases.

 

If that weren't enough they have been waging a court compaign to ensure that Christianity goes further into the closet than homosexuality while saying nothing at all about public displays of Islam and Judiasm on public proprety.

 

The ACLU has represented Christians when they were correct about their first amendment rights being violated. It just happens to be the case that Christians are by far the most likely to try to insert their mythology into government institutions (10Cs, Creationism, mandatory prayer, etc).

[NUKE_CLEVELAND]

You want a list of instances where these assholes are on the wrong side of everything Crimson.

 

Here's a bucketful.

 

http://www.nationalreview.com/murdock/murd...00402270920.asp

 

http://www.aclu.org/LesbianGayRights/Lesbi...?ID=15515&c=105

 

http://www.libraryjournal.com/article/CA45...ay=breakingNews

 

http://www.protectkids.com/kidsonline/app.i.html

 

(ACLU is in favor of protecting kiddie porn....how neighborly of them )

 

http://www.aclu.org/ReproductiveRights/Rep...?ID=10779&c=143

 

So now the ACLU wants to force hospitals to perform abortions.......charming.

 

http://www.nrlc.org/Unborn_Victims/showdownsenate030704.html

 

They want to force hospitals to perform abortions so theres no surprise here that its ok to kill an unborn fetus during the commission of a crime. :rolly

 

http://66.195.16.55/state701.html

 

Back on the abortion theme......sure its ok for girls under 18 to get abortions without telling their parents. Parents are evil, parents should be sued.

 

 

APU is worried about a disgrace to Chicago.....these people are a disgrace to America.

[Soxy]

Thanks for providing a link.  I despise the ACLU and was looking for a way to speak out.

Well, for everyone that hates it--another one loves it.

 

I'm asking my parents for a membership for Christmas.

[LowerCaseRepublican]

Nuke -- I disagree that they are on the wrong side of everything. Take these cases for example.

 

http://www.lectlaw.com/files/cur59.htm

 

1932 Powell v. Alabama This first of the "Scottsboro" cases to reach the

high Court resulted in the decision that eight African Americans accused

of raping two white women lacked effective counsel at their trial -- a

denial of due process. For the first time, in this case, constitutional

standards were applied to state criminal proceedings.

 

1948 Shelley v. Kraemer An important civil rights decision that

invalidated restrictive covenants -- contractual agreements between

white homeowners in a residential area barring the sale of houses to

black people.

 

1954 Brown v. Board of Education In perhaps the most far-reaching

decision of this century, the Court declared racially segregated schools

unconstitutional and overruled the "separate but equal" doctrine

announced in its infamous 1896 decision in Plessy v. Ferguson.

 

1965 U.S. v. Seeger In one of the first anti-Vietnam War decisions, the

Court extended conscientious objector status to those who do not

necessarily believe in a supreme being, but who oppose war based on

sincere beliefs that are equivalent to religious faith.

 

1966 Miranda v. Arizona This famous decision established the "Miranda

warnings," a requirement that the police, before interrogating suspects,

must inform them of their rights. The Court embraced the ACLU's amicus

argument that a suspect in custody has both a Sixth Amendment right to

counsel and a Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination.

 

1969 Tinker v. Des Moines A landmark lift for symbolic speech and

students' rights. The Court invalidated the suspension of public school

students for wearing black armbands to protest the Vietnam War, writing

that students did not "shed their constitutional rights to freedom of

speech or expression at the schoolhouse gate."

 

1970 Goldberg v. Kelly Setting in motion what has been called the

"procedural due process revolution," the Court ruled that welfare

recipients were entitled to notice and a hearing before the state could

terminate their benefits.

 

1973 Roe v. Wade/ Doe v. Bolton One of the Court's most significant

decisions, Roe erased all existing criminal abortion laws and recognized

a woman's constitutional right to terminate a pregnancy. In Doe, the

companion case, the Court ruled that whether an abortion is "necessary"

is the attending physician's call, to be made in light of all factors

relevant to a woman's well-being.

 

Let's not forget the ACLU stopping Operation TIPS, what would have essentially been a civilian Stasi as well as these:

 

http://www.aclu.org/DeathPenalty/DeathPena...?ID=15716&c=192

http://www.aclu.org/court/court.cfm?ID=16650&c=286

http://www.aclu.org/DisabilityRights/Disab...m?ID=11734&c=70

http://www.aclu.org/HIVAIDS/HIVAIDS.cfm?ID=16267&c=21

http://www.aclu.org/SafeandFree/SafeandFre...?ID=17005&c=206

 

 

But I guess they are just a bunch of anti-American commies.

 

And let's not forget than abortion is legal still, Nuke. If they spent more time on sex education and not making it taboo then abortions would not be a problem. It is up to a doctor to decide if a woman, on a case by case basis, should engage in having an abortion -- not the power of the state. And as for the parental notification -- Most minors voluntarily tell at least one parent. This bill ignores the harsh realities of many adolescents' lives, it affects those who are afraid to tell both parents. Some teenagers do not have parents willing to talk with them about anything; and in some families sexual subjects, especially abortion are never addressed. To avoid confrontation, some minors will seek an abortion outside the health care system. The parents of the late Becky Bell lobby passionately against such laws, citing the Indiana law that drove their daughter to undergo a non-medical abortion. Becky died a long, painful death from the sort of septic abortion that killed and maimed many women prior to 1970.

 

Proponents claim that teens need parental permission to get an aspirin in school—but this is a school rule, not a state law. In fact, New York specifically permits minors to consent to their own treatment for prenatal care and delivery, mental health c are, STD and HIV tests or treatment, alcoholism and drug abuse, and family planning. Only abortion is singled out for parental notification. Parental involvement laws open minors to the risk of beatings at home. In June, after learning that his teenage daughter had been raped, a Bridgeport father beat her with a belt so severely that he was arrested and charged with third degree assault. In some cases, beatings are guaranteed when parents receive a certified letter telling them that their daughter is pregnant and intends to have an abortion. Abusive parents handle sex, pregnancy, and abortion especially badly.

 

Violation of this law by physicians would be a crime. Yet, ironically, the doctors are perfectly free to perform the abortion against the parents' will—as long as they've notified the parents (by certified mail 48 hours before) of their intention to do so.

 

The ACLU may not be right on all issues -- but at least they are one of the most vigilant organizations to protect the civil liberties that people have died to give us.

[NUKE_CLEVELAND]

Proponents claim that teens need parental permission to get an aspirin in school—but this is a school rule, not a state law. In fact, New York specifically permits minors to consent to their own treatment for prenatal care and delivery, mental health c are, STD and HIV tests or treatment, alcoholism and drug abuse, and family planning. Only abortion is singled out for parental notification. Parental involvement laws open minors to the risk of beatings at home. In June, after learning that his teenage daughter had been raped, a Bridgeport father beat her with a belt so severely that he was arrested and charged with third degree assault. In some cases, beatings are guaranteed when parents receive a certified letter telling them that their daughter is pregnant and intends to have an abortion. Abusive parents handle sex, pregnancy, and abortion especially badly.

 

Violation of this law by physicians would be a crime. Yet, ironically, the doctors are perfectly free to perform the abortion against the parents' will—as long as they've notified the parents (by certified mail 48 hours before) of their intention to do so.

 

The ACLU may not be right on all issues -- but at least they are one of the most vigilant organizations to protect the civil liberties that people have died to give us.

So let me get this straight. You dont think parents should know if their kids are getting abortions or being treated for STD's because theres a possibility they might get beaten?

 

Sure, lets remove parents from the decision making process of children because of a couple of isolated cases of abuse. The ACLU and Planned Parenthood make far better choices for kids than their own parents ever could right? Of course youd think like that.

[LowerCaseRepublican]

So let me get this straight.  You dont think parents should know if their kids are getting abortions or being treated for STD's because theres a possibility they might get beaten?

 

Sure,  lets remove parents from the decision making process of children because of a couple of isolated cases of abuse.  The ACLU and Planned Parenthood make far better choices for kids than their own parents ever could right?  Of course youd think like that.

If they exempt abortion from the list of the following: prenatal care and delivery, mental health care, STD and HIV tests or treatment, alcoholism and drug abuse, and family planning -- then either make them all accountable to parents or make none. They are all medical procedures.

 

And you never did justify that whole "ACLU is on the wrong side of everything" comment when faced with the other court cases that they helped win.

 

As stated before Nuke, Most minors voluntarily tell at least one parent. This bill ignores the harsh realities of many adolescents' lives, it affects those who are afraid to tell both parents. Some teenagers do not have parents willing to talk with them about anything; and in some families sexual subjects, especially abortion are never addressed. To avoid confrontation, some minors will seek an abortion outside the health care system. The parents of the late Becky Bell lobby passionately against such laws, citing the Indiana law that drove their daughter to undergo a non-medical abortion. Becky died a long, painful death from the sort of septic abortion that killed and maimed many women prior to 1970.

 

The coercive power of the federal government should not dictate that people cannot have medical procedures -- the decision if a patient needs a procedure or not is wholly at the doctor's discretion. For somebody who supposedly hates the creeping power of government, why support coercive legislation.

 

And nice job cherry picking my last post.

[FlaSoxxJim]

So let me get this straight.  You dont think parents should know if their kids are getting abortions or being treated for STD's because theres a possibility they might get beaten?

 

Sure,  lets remove parents from the decision making process of children because of a couple of isolated cases of abuse.  The ACLU and Planned Parenthood make far better choices for kids than their own parents ever could right?  Of course youd think like that.

That was phenomenal, Nuke.

 

Apu presents by-the-numbers accounting of the ACLU's historic role in defending American civil liberties and constitutional protections. And rather than to notice any of that, you jump on parental notification as if it were the defining issue of this or any year.

 

So, by your admission ("The ACLU has been on the wrong side of EVERYTHING since its sorry existence began."...)

 

•  constitutional standards should not be applied to state criminal proceedings – ACLU says the should, NUKE thinks it's a bad idea be definition because the ACLU fought for it;

 

• barring the sale of houses to black people should be allowed - the ACLU thinks it's wrong, NUKE says it's all good;

 

• racial segregatrion in schools should never habe been daclared unconstitutional – ACLU says bad, NUKE says no big whoop.

 

• conscientious objector status should only be granted to wind-em-up Christians but not those who's faiths don't fit that cookie cutter image – ACLU says that's bunk, NUKE dissents.

 

• the constitutional rights of criminal SUSPECTS should neither be explained or protected – ACLU has a problem with it, NUKE is not all that concerned with the presumption of iccocence or rights attended thereto.

 

And that only gets ut to 1966. Yeah, f*** the ACLU.

 

If you're looking to shred the constitution that badly, what the hell are you even fighting to defend, Brother?

[FlaSoxxJim]

And you never did justify that whole "ACLU is on the wrong side of everything" comment when faced with the other court cases that they helped win.

You noticed that too, huh? Ah, sky high rhetoric is less taxing than rational thought anyway...

[CrimsonWeltall]

You want a list of instances where these assholes are on the wrong side of everything Crimson.

 

Here's a bucketful.

 

Ok, so this is all their cases, right?

 

http://www.nationalreview.com/murdock/murd...00402270920.asp

 

The ACLU doesn't want the Boy Scouts, a discriminatory religious organization, from getting (basically) free land from the government.

 

The ACLU doesn't think NAMBLA leadership should be charged for murder for crimes they didn't commit.

 

http://www.aclu.org/LesbianGayRights/Lesbi...15515&c=105

 

Yeah, fighting against discrimination is a HORRIBLE HORRIBLE thing to do.

 

http://www.libraryjournal.com/article/CA45...ay=breakingNews

 

So a man was banned from a public library because of the complete subjective opinion of a security guard. Another horrendous thing to fight.

 

http://www.protectkids.com/kidsonline/app.i.html

 

(ACLU is in favor of protecting kiddie porn....how neighborly of them )

 

The ACLU has explicitly said they are against child porn but perhaps...your page...full of....elipses....and quotes....taken out of context....makes....it....hard to....tell that.

 

http://www.nrlc.org/Unborn_Victims/showdownsenate030704.html

 

They want to force hospitals to perform abortions so theres no surprise here that its ok to kill an unborn fetus during the commission of a crime. 

 

Did you even read the article? The law would have allowed the hospitals to deny EMERGENCY medical care and to deny information to women.

 

 

 

I partially agree with you on the last two links.