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    Conforto hurt

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    10 minutes ago, EloyJenkins said:

    I still think the Mets signing him and trading for Kimbrel should be in play. He loses the draft pick stigma, and hell at this point with his value in the dumpster...sign him for 16 mil and it's an even swap. Conforto doesn't make his QO salary, but get's somewhat close and this year is his prove it deal...and Hahn makes up for his bad Kimbrel decision. Mets already over the tax so they strengthen their team. I know this is not a tactic the player's association and league will be happy about, but at this point it may be the only way for Conforto to get close to a fair market deal for THIS season. 

    I don't know if MLB allows sign and trade, so this might be against their rules. 

    Offseason Part 3 - Because Part 2 Was a Dud

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    I don't get the love affair of Conforto on a long term deal. He was HORRIBLE last year and also injured. We are complaining about the injuries with Eloy and Engel, yet want to spend 20+M on the same type of player... why? Because he hits left handed? He's not a good fit for this team on a 100M contract. He has not proven he is worth that. Can he be, sure, but I'd rather not bet on it. We have the offense to cover for RF during the first half of the season. Likely Sheets and/or Vaughn are going to show exactly where they fit in the first 2 months. If they can't play a serviceable RF (which is likely) then they get to platoon at DH and play 1B when Abrue needs a day off and we go get a player at the deadline to fill RF, there will be plenty available. 

     

    But why give up a 2nd round draft pick, which is what helps you sustain long playoff runs, for an unknown player that may be worse than what we already have. It's not worth it. If he wants to come on a 1 year deal at 25M, which would mean we keep our draft pick (if i'm right about the QO rules) then I'd be okay with that. But not a long term deal that gives away our 2nd round pick. No Thanks! 

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    Hypothetical Trades

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    12 hours ago, Flash said:

    Just to break the monotony, would be interested in your views of trade scenarios assuming we made Vaughn the centerpiece.  Depending on the target, we would likely need to add a lower tier player or two to even the value but this is more or less a proxy for the positions you feel should/could be addressed by trade. I'm not advocating a Vaughn trade and would hope we might be able to improve by signing a free agent or two but here are 3 that might work:

    1) Vaughn (maybe plus Burger) for John Means (Orioles SP)?
    2) Vaughn to NYY for Joey Gallo and Luis Gil?
    3) Vaughn (maybe plus Burger and Kelley) for Ketel Marte?

    Thoughts?

        

    Why move Vaught to get a SP, when we can just sign Rodon for money and not lose young light salaray players?

    No way do I want Gallo in our line up and not willing to give up a guy that costs $20M less that can potentially put up better numbers

    I wouldn't mind Ketel Marte, but I don't think Vaughn and lower prospects get it done cause Marte has 2-3 years left, I think? 

    I would rather try and center something around Abrams from SD. They are in Win Now mode, and Kimbrel lines up with them really well. I'd send Kimbrel to them with a lower prospect for Abrams. He may not start out in the majors, but the hope would be we could use our young guys at 2B until Abrams is ready, and then have a cheap guy in that position while our other top guys salaries start to increase rapidly over the next 2-3 years. 

    Lockout Boredom Game: Redraft One Sox Year in 2010s

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    On 12/15/2021 at 7:50 AM, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

     All I see right now is a guy with -.7 fWAR and 2.5 years younger than Madrigal. Waiting for all our young players to have good full seasons is what's holding the Sox back . The minors is where you put guys with promise, not in the lineup like you're doing with Kelenic and Vaughn. Why you'd pick 2018 seems strange when there are so many players drafted in previous years who have already had  good seasons.

    2015 draft . 8th pick: Carson Fulmer ( $3,470,600) Tyler Stephenson went 11 and Walker Buehler went 26th and signed under slot for under $2M. Let's just say the Sox drafted Stephenson. So then in 2016 there's no need to draft Collins @10 .  Kyle Lewis 11, Alex Kirilloff  15th, Lux 20th. Will go with Lux here since the other 2 are OF's and in the 2nd rd. the Sox go with...

     HS Switchhitting OF Dylan Carlson who went 33rd to StL. instead of Burdi at 26.

    Also in 2015 the Sox picks after the 1st rd were:  4th round, Zack Erwin , 5th round Jordan Stephens, 6th Corey Zagari , 7th rd pick # 202 was Blake Hickman. At pick 208 was Jake Cronenworth , Bats L, Throws right 2nd base from Michigan.

    Maybe later in round 13 you take another LH OF Cedric Mullins instead of Ryan Riga.

    The great thing about this thread is you are free to post what drafts YOU would re-draft instead of trying to pick apart what I said... 

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    Lockout Boredom Game: Redraft One Sox Year in 2010s

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    Fun game:

    I'm picking the re-draft of 2018:

     

    1 (4) - Madrigal - $6,411,400

    2 (46) - Walker - $2,000,000

    3 (81) - Pilkington - $650,000

    4 (108) - Lency Delgado - $525,000

    5 (138) - Steiver - $386,800

    I'm only going to do 5 rounds, because for sure everything after that is a complete crap shoot, not that the first 5 rounds aren't:

    1 (4) - Jarred Kelenic - $4,000,0000

    2 (46) - Brennan Davis - $1,100,000

     

    I'm fine with filling 2B through FA or using defense first guys with a lineup that would fill up the OF with Eloy, Robert, Kelenic. Davis on the way moving Eloy to part time DH makes the lineup:

    Anderson

    Robert

    Eloy

    Abreu

    Moncada

    Grandal

    Kelenic

    Vaughn

    2B

    The Second Base Options (as it stands)

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    4 hours ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said:

    I too am intrigued by a Keuchel/Cano swap if nothing else can come.

    No way I want Cano... I don't like Keuchel at all, but he's a guy that you need for a regular season run. You can't count on 5 SP for the season, and you need that depth. I'm okay keep Keuchel around, as long as we limit his innings so his option doesn't vest and as long as he doesn't sniff a playoff roster. I would rather see us sign a high leverage SP (Rodon would be fine with me). And then Keuchel starts in the bullpen and him a Lopez are the guys that fill in when starters need a rest or are injured. 

    We are in position to win the world series we shouldn't be shedding payroll to shed payroll... I would rather keep Kimbrel and make him be the Andrew Miller... come in for high leverage situations early in games as a "closer" to stop threats... then you have Bummer, Gravemen, Hendricks for 7-9. 

    Sox to talk about Semien with Boras

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    I don't really care about budget, it's "not my money"... but Semien would be the best upgrade at 2B and Marte to me would be the best upgrade to RF. Let Vaughn/Sheets alternate at DH and spell Eloy in LF. I would think you could get both of those guys for $35/year - Marte on a 2/3 year and Semien likely will take 5. Heck, give Semien an opt out after 1 and 2 years. If he's playing so well to want to opt out then whatever we paid him will have been worth it. 

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    Marcus Semien

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    On 10/29/2021 at 11:32 AM, TaylorStSox said:

    I don't see him repeating the 45 HR's he hit this year, he's 31 and he's only had 2 seasons with an ops over .800. I'm certainly not going to give him $25M a year.

    I agree, he had a career year in a relatively old season. I'd much rather give 25M/year to Seager or Story. Problem is those guys are going to require 6-7 year deals, Semien maybe takes a 4-5. Likely we are not going to be upgrading 2B to an elite player, so we should focus on RF to try and get an elite player there. 

    Offseason Trade Proposal Thread

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    Here are my proposals... totally unrealistic for this franchise:

    Send Mercedes/Crochet to SD for Abrams/Hosmer (we pick up money for Hosmer) Padres said they would be willing to move Abrams to get rid of Hosmer and Crochet is a great add to their bullpen and Mercedes for the inevitable NL DH. 

    Send Kimbrel/Burger/Minor Leaguer to Mariners for Kyle Lewis (Burger could be a potential replacement for Seager if he leaves)

    Use Hosmer to give Abreu a break and a decent lefty off the bench in the playoffs with experience

    Lewis in RF full time

    Abrams in at 2B

    Rotate Vaughn/Eloy/Sheets/Abreu/Hosmer in at DH/LF/1B

    Nice thing about Abrams is if TA get injured or is out, we have a much better replacement level player in Abrams to move to SS and have a less guy fill in at 2B. 

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    Offseason Thread

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    Honestly, I think their #1 Target should be trying to acquire C.J. Abrams from the Padres. They will be desperate to win next year. They really don't have room for C.J. with Cronenworth, Frazier on their roster, they have Grisham in CF, so I think they might be tempted in moving him. I honestly think that we could package Kimbrel/Crochet to SD and send some money to them and they may return C.J. He could fill the immediate need at 2B for us right now and be cost effective, a la Madrigal, for the next 6 years. 

    The next target needs to be a legitimate #1 SP. I don't know who that is, but that should be the target and I'd even be interested in moving Vaughn for this to happen. 

    The 3rd target needs to be a legitimate RFer, I'm done playing whoever out there, I was okay with it at first, but that critical missed fly ball in game 2 was the final straw. There are plenty of OFer's that we can grab, we need to pay the piper and get an actual good RFer for a year or two until Cespedes is ready.

    White Sox-Astros Game 1 3:07 Start Time

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    2 hours ago, ChiSox59 said:

    This would be awesome, but I don't see any realistic scenario that Yanks/Red Sox vs. Rays isn't the prime time game Thursday (and through the whole series).  And based on last year, days with just 2 games were 3-4pmCT and 7pmCT game times. 

    It is brutal.  Thur/Sun only have 2 games, so they'll spread them out I would guess.  Have to image Yanks/Red Sox getting the primetime as mentioned above.

    Friday has 4 games - would again assume Sox are one of the 2 day games, and apparently TBS has already reflected Brewers/Braces for the 330pm time slot.  So I think 1pm Friday is likely, which is worst case scenario for me personally.  

    I don't understand why MLB has to make sure each game has it's own audience. Don't you think they would get better ratings putting all the games between 5-9 pm. So what if there are 2 games being played at 7:00. I would think there are enough fans of each team that the low viewership at noon, will be less than having 2 games at the same time. How many fan bases will watch if their team isn't on anyways? Plus wouldn't advertisers rather see a higher viewership at primetime, even if it's on FS1 instead of ESPN or Fox? 

    ALDS Playoff Roster Discussion

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    I would rather have Yermin as our 26th guy over a guy like Goodwin. I have more belief that we will need a PHer late in a game rather than a guy to play a position for multiple innings. I think Yermin gives us the best hitter to come off the bench of all our bench guys. I like Hamilton on the team to be a pinch runner late in a game that we desperately need a run. Then you have your starters: Grandal, Abreu, Hernandez, Moncada, Anderson, Eloy, Robert, Garcia, Sheets, Giolito, Lynn, Rodon, Cease, Hendricks, Kimbrel, Bummer, Kopech, Tapera, Crochet. That puts me at 21. Collins, Vaughn for sure. Keuchel as a long guy out of the pen, only letting him go through the line up 1 time... that leaves me 2 spots: Lopez should easily have a spot, then you could make the 26th man Romy Gonzalez for the versatility of playing everywhere. 

    c - Grandal

    1b - Abreu

    2b - Hernandez

    3b - Moncada

    ss - TA

    lf - Eloy

    cf - Robert

    rf - Garcia

    dh - Sheets

    bench - Yermin, Romy, Collins, Hamilton, Engel

    sp - Giolito, Lynn, Rodon, Cease

    mr - keuchel, lopez, tapera, crochet

    rp - hendricks, kimbrel, kopech, bummer, 

    That gives you 8 solid relief pitchers, which should be more than enough for a 5 game series, plus 5 hitters off the bench in an AL series is more than enough! 

    Blackout is Back for Soxtober

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    3 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

    Hey Brooks

    PUT THE DAMNED PLAYOFF TICKETS ON SALE!

    Sox Fans.

    Yeah us STH probably grabbed up the last remaining tickets. I might have some available through some groups if you don't get any when the tickets go on sale. PM me if interested. 

    Rodon may need extra rest in the postseason

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    22 hours ago, BrittBurnsFan said:

    Bad timing...wonder what the White Sox offered him in July that he turned down?  Wonder if there are any regrets on his end?  Love the guy...but his health is always going to be a huge question!  How big of an offer is he going to get this offseason?  And do the White Sox risk offering him the QO? 

    You do realize he hasn't exactly pitched a ton of innings the last 2 years. The amount of innings he has put up this year, it is inevitable that he has a tired arm. Normally we would be shutting a guy down at this point and letting him rest for the following year and hoping he can add 20% IP. I'm find with resting him, and hoping that he can pitch 1 game per series as long as the Sox stay in the playoffs. We shouldn't need more from him than that. Let Giolito and Lynn pitch 2 games in a series if we need it. Worst case let Keuchel, Kopech, Lopez pitch a game if we need it. Our pitching is not going to be the downfall of this team, it's going to be if the offense stays stagnant. 

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    The Athletic's Expansion Draft

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    23 hours ago, asindc said:

    I sincerely hope MLB doesn’t get any ideas from this.  The available talent is already stretched too thin over the current 30 teams.

    I seriously think Baseball could use a contraction, not expansion. Look at the ratings that the Dodgers/Padres get. Look at the number of people watching the Sox/Yankees. When 2 good teams play, the ratings and attendance increase x10. So why not have 20 MLB teams, and then have 10 AAAA teams that still play in the major league parks that were contracted. However, all of those players are "Free Agents". So a team that has an injury, can either choose one of their players from AAA, or they can sign the Free Agent from 1 of the 10 teams in AAAA. There would certainly be 15 great teams and you'd get exceptional matchups on a nightly basis. More competitive games, and then you can expand the playoffs to include more teams, because there would be more talent on each team. 

     

    Cities like TB, Miami, etc can keep the AAAA teams, because fans don't support those teams anyways. 

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    Rodon Contract Value

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    2 hours ago, hogan873 said:

    I'd love to see Rodon return, but I'm in agreement with most of you.  He's going to get paid by someone, and the Sox most likely won't offer enough.  There's the concern of his health, too.  We've seen, now, what a healthy Rodon looks like, and it's incredible.  But, can he stay healthy for an entire season.  He's showing signs of tiring now, and that's not unexpected based on how little he's pitched over the last couple years and the injuries and surgeries.

    My fear, as I imagine many share, is that if the Sox do somehow sign him he'll end up hurt and not be the guy we're seeing now.  And if he signs elsewhere he'll be amazing and win a couple Cy Young awards.

    The fan in me says try to sign him for 4/$80M or so, but the practical side of me says make the QO and see what happens.

    With his injury past I don't think he gets an AAV of $20M/year... however, if for some reason you want to dangle $20M/year to him, it has to be a short term deal, like 2 years $40M or 3 and 60. No way you give him AAV of $20 and go longer than 3 years. NO WAY. If he wants a long term deal, he's going to have to lower his AAV, in my opinion. So I see him going 3/55 or 5/70. 

    8/26 Chicago White Sox @ Toronto Blue Jays 2:07 PM CDT

    in 2021 Season in Review

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    6 minutes ago, FoxForce2 said:

    I'm thinking the only reason he hasn't been in the 2 slot was they wanted to ease him back into lineup after the injury. Its been said before, but Robert has the ability to hit just about anywhere in the lineup. A real luxury for a manager.

    Really think in the next year or two it's going to be Robert hitting 3rd ahead of Eloy... he's that talented! And if they extend Jose, or Jose extends himself, then he can hit behind Eloy in 2023. :)

    08/17 Game Thread: Oakland Athletics at Sox 7:10 NBCSN

    in 2021 Season in Review

    Posted · Edited by TheCommish

    10 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

    I’m rooting for him of course but yea not really there isn’t that much of a case for him in October, certainly not “as much as anyone”.

     

    go sox!

    If he's pitching like he has, he's certainly one of the best 5-6 pitchers to bring into the post season for the bullpen. Who's better than him:

    Hendricks, Kimbrel, Kopech, Bummer, Crochet... he's #6 right now unless I'm missing someone. 

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