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2 minutes ago, RagahRagah said:
You really are ignorant as all hell.
You have any idea how many people have underlying conditions? And how many different ways this virus can wreck you? And how overwhelmed the hospitals have been?
If you really think masks don't make any difference and refuse to wear one you are part of the problem.
You had it? Yet you clearly didn't learn anything. Being aware and precautions and fear mongering are two completely different things.
It's a pandemic. What you deem as an insignificant death rate (it's much higher than your ridiculous claim, BTW) is still a LOT of fucking people.
The liberal states are where all the people are, somof course is spreads faster. This is just common sense.
And there is so much more wrong in your wall of text nonsense tripe I haven't even touched.
And with that, your ignorant boomer ass will be the first person added to my ignore list as I don't need to find myself going off the rails over an ignorant fart like yourself.
Ignore me loser. Guarantee your scaredy cat ass is older than me anyway.
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7 minutes ago, RagahRagah said:
Why is that?
Your thoughts on this are frankly just dumb, old man takes. It's not fearmongering, it's actually putting people's safety and health first during a fucking pandemic that has ravaged the entire world, not to mention our country.
If you want to question their actual motives I am fine with that. But calling it fearmongering is just flat out ignorant as hell. (No, this isn't just a "flu")
I've had it. I've had much worse flu cases than Covid. It was incredibly mild. Hell, I was out playing golf while I had it.
People that live in common sense states (Florida/Texas) realize how overblown this is. 99% survival rate, and much higher for people under 60 without other underlying conditions. We have a case of fear mongering by dipshit liberal states (like Illinois) where they are categorizing every freaking death as Covid related while ignoring every other condition the elderly person has.
Then you got the mask sheep. Those masks are really working well out in California. LMAO!!!
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the first good decision manfred has made in his tenure as commissioner.
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9 hours ago, RagahRagah said:
You should legit change your username to Boomer.
You should legit change your name to coward
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6 hours ago, South Side Hit Men said:
Number two is Mark Belanger, his bat wasn't good enough to lift his overall WAR or his chances at the HOF. And neither is Vizquel.
Mark Belanger: oWAR 14.7; dWAR 39.5; bWAR 40.9; JAWS 36.4 (40th among SS)
Omar Vizquel: oWAR 32.9; dWAR 29.5; bWAR 45.6; JAWS 36.2 (41st among SS)
Average SS HOF: 67.5 bWAR; JAWS 55.3
I wouldnt put much stock in dWAR either from baseballref or fangraphs. Theres still a ton of kinks in that portion or the WAR equation.
vizquel was an incredible fielder.
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1 minute ago, Sleepy Harold said:
*The Marlins and Cardinals have entered the chat*
The marlins played a full 60 games and the cardinals played 58.
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They just did a condensed 60 game schedule with pretty minor issues. This is absolutely ridiculous and public figures pushing this fear mongering should be ashamed of themselves
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6 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:
Role models? They legit fucking cheated. Why should they be celebrated?
You want to kick out all the cheaters in the hof?
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17 minutes ago, Vulture said:
It was a program of the Bureau of Indian Affairs. BIA didn’t have anything to do with poor whites or black women. More denial
It was done out of HHS. The same agency that did it to poor whites and blacks.
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5 minutes ago, Vulture said:
So death marches, deliberate infection of disease, scalp bounties, systematic forced sterilization and removal from land doesn’t equate to genocide to you. Got. I guess this your little way of making America great again
god, you and little ray sure have a one sided view of history
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2 minutes ago, Vulture said:
How do explain the government paying for scalps and forced sterilization then?You’re the one distorting history in order to appease the cognitive dissonance rattling around your brain. Trail of Tears was a death March. What next, navies weren’t committing genocide because a lot of people died of exposure. Gtfo
Explained forced sterilization which was a widespread issue.
paying for scalps...well we were pretty much at war with them for 100 years. Any guesses how many colonists scalps they took too?
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8 minutes ago, Vulture said:
There was intent. I can’t believe this is even up for debate. Bureau of Indian Affirs had a program of coerced sterilization that operated into at least the 1970s. Forcing people from land and deliberately limiting their population is genocide. US government for decades paid for scalps of native Americans.
What your describing happened to multiple ethnic groups at that time and was driven by doctors thinking it was the best case for poor girls. It happened to a lot of black women and poor rural whites as well. Absolutely despicable for all involved, but it wasnt limited to native americans.
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7 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:
Pal, I thought you were a historian taught about Native history:
"An illustration of Ottawa Chief, Pontiac confronting Colonel Henry Bouquet who authorized his officers to spread smallpox amongst native Americans by deliberately infecting blankets after peace talks"
The disease spread was a deliberate weapon. I'm sure you knew that though; "just a couple bad apples" lol.
There is one reported attempt, and even there the evidence is dubious as there isnt any record of it actually being done - just considered. Further, if it was carried out, it didnt work in that circumstance.
but yeah, lets attribute all the indian deaths due to diseases, including influenza, typhus, and cholera to a couple smallpox blankets. LMAO!!!
Lets also just conveniently ignore the early american governments attempts to vaccinate indians from smallpox too (which largely proved successful in the early 1800s) so that we can distort history and claim genocide.
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2 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:
You literally argued that the murder of 95% of the native population over the course of just three generations wasn't genocide. Your exact words were: (Source: https://www.pbs.org/gunsgermssteel/variables/smallpox.html#:~:text=Within just a few generations,the population of the Americas.)
"although id argue genocide is probably a stretch"
Why, because they didn't kill 100% of them. Amazing stuff. The expert on native history is arguing that "Indians" isn't offensive and that genocide is a "stretch."
Yes because 75-90% of native american deaths were due to disease. Genocide requires intent, not just the outcome
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7 minutes ago, BrianAnderson said:
But, but but... we're HONORING them! it's a sense of PRIDE for some! Let's be serious America (and a lot of other countries) are full of very racist histories. We were built on the backs of other cultures and continue to be so. Don't get it twisted - if you were offered the opportunity to be any race and any sex you would pick white male without a second thought... it would take 0.1 seconds to make that decision. The fact that it is that easy of a question really shows that although we are taking strides over time, we still have work to do. This isn't white guilt. it's the truth.
Every country has a racist past. What does that have to do with anything? And hell america is easily one of the least racist in comparison (honestly thinking otherwise just exposes ignorance of world history).
when the majority of native americans attribute pride as their closest thought towards sports teams using their imagery as mascots, why does the vocal minorities opinions trump theirs? We do not have a majority of native americans speaking out about the indians changing their name. Hell id bet that more white liberals are offended by the term “indians” than actual indians.
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6 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:
You have proven through your ignorance within this thread that you weren't taught any actual history of Native Americans; I know you haven't come to that realization yet, but maybe one day...
You havent expressed a single bit of american or native american history i am not well aware of bud.
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4 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:
You know, we could teach about their cultures and past in SCHOOL and not through offensive caricatures that are sold for a profit by teams that aren't even affiliated with the community? I know that's a crazy concept to you.
How bad was your education? Seriously? Who wasnt taught this in elementary and high school?
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13 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:
You can throw whatever whataboutisms at this you like, it does not alter the underlying facts or history involved here.
Thats an analogy, not a whataboutism.
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Are the sox as currently constructed the favorites to win the AL next year? If no, then theres your answer.
we need pitching. Lots of pitching.
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23 minutes ago, Angel Hernandez said:
Up next
Blackhawks, Braves, Chiefs, Seminoles, Rajin Cajuns ect.
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We need to wipe away any and all native american imagery until the culture is forgotten about. How dare these teams try to honor or admire their culture!
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1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said:
Uh, duh, yes. We should identify them by their OWN tribal and national identities. They aren't Indians or native Americans first. They are Pottawatomie, they are Iroquois, they are Hopi, they are Creeks, etc. This goes to EXACTLY what I am talking about when I talk about stripping them of their own identities and branding them in our own image.
And hell yes, this was a genocide. It was organized and government sanctioned killings and removals repeated many times over centuries of time, and a lot of the more subtle policies are still in place to this day.
Wow. Thats the equivalent of getting upset over being called british instead of welsh
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22 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:
Since apparently you only learned about the Indians through mascots as you claimed earlier, yes. Indians is a term stepped in all three of those things. A geocidal and racist campaign was conducted against the natives of North America over a period of centuries, which continues to this day. We stripped them of their own cultural, national, and native identities and instead labeled them as the European pejorative "Indian", which itself is rooted in the Columbus misidentification of North America as India. There are still educational efforts to this day to deny the teaching of tribal history, culture, and languages in Tribal schools. We don't identify them correctly, and have instead assigned them our own European identity.
I mean i know reading comprehension isnt your strong suit, but where did i ever claim that didnt happen or was ok? although id argue genocide is probably a stretch, but racially motivated forced removal is definitely true.
You do realize a lot of natives refer to themselves as “indians” right? Hell the majority prefer being called american indian over other terms. What does it matter that the term was european? In that context, should we call them something other than native americans too since we assigned a european identity to the continent the natives were on? -
47 minutes ago, Texsox said:
So once you know you are offending someone you should continue to do so? I'm not certain that is the polite and well mannered thing to do. At least not in my social circles.
To an individual, no you stop. Or at least try to be considerate - although with some people thats not possible.
however like i said above, this is a bit more complicated. This is a team name that reflects a group of people. Those people have opinions ranging from being offended by the use of the name to being proud of its usage. You cannot appease both groups and trying to do so only puts one groups opinions as superior to the others which isn’t right.
and also, the elimination of native american mascots will have the opposite affect on society long term. Yeah maybe there will be a short term look at bringing native american culture and their history to light, but it wont last long. the forced removal of native ameican imagery in sports will ultimately lead to the erasure of indigineous culture from mainstream society
Ill use illinois as an example. The school is considering changing their mascot to the kingfisher. They are still the illini, but have not used the chief symbolism for about 15 years now. When kids used to get in they would be introduced to the history of the illiniwek confederation. These days they dont. While the chief was never a real person and was more of a symbol, it still created a continuation and recognition of the illiniwek. It was something the student body rallied around and honored. It was never demeaned or ridiculed or presented in anything other than a positive light. Now future generations will have no knowledge of the illiniwek confederation, and instead will bond over a stupid looking bird.
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4 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:
Where did I say that?
And please spare me your sob story; it's so hard being a white man in America and this world, amirite?
You realize I'm about as pastey and white as is humanly possible, right champ?
You brought up slavery; this is where the American education system has failed. The institution of slavery in the USA was arguably the most hienous implementation of slavery in the history of studied mankind, and also the latest legalization of it in the developed world. Additionally, we committed mass genocide against Native American's in which now we celebrate via Thanksgiving, yay! I have to go get some work done, so you can be spared anymore responses from me for a while, but I hope you have a deep enough bathtub to catch all your pity, poor white guy, tears.
You really need a broader world history perspective if you believe this
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