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10 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:
Let me help you with this word.
Inadvertent means to unintentionally do something. Like when my mother asked the woman at the dentist office how far along she was in her pregnancy when she wasn't pregnant; that is inadvertently offensive. If my mom then went back to the dentists office every time after that and continued to ask that question, it's no longer inadvertent. So, when they made the Indians name they were likely inadvertently offending people. After being told repeatedly that it is offensive to them, if they continued to refer to themselves as Indians, it now becomes deliberately offensive. So if you truly don't want to deliberately offend people, as you are claiming in this thread, then why do you keep posting in defiance?
Thanks for coming to my TedTalk.
Except its not that simple. This isnt something being directed at an individual but towards a group of people. Many of which, if not the majority, feel honored and proud of sports teams using their imagery. This isnt some universal, all native americans are offended by the cleveland name. By changing the name you appease one group of natives while the other group loses something they took pride in. Why is one groups opinions more important than the other?
And remember, both those studies were about the redskins name - which definitely has a racial component to it. “Indians” is innocuous. Its the equivalent to vikings, or irish.
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8 minutes ago, Quin said:
In a thread about changing the name "Indians" to respect Native Americans - including Native American leaders who have been cited in this thread.
You decide to argue that non-white people can do racist things (which yes, clearly that is a thing). So because you don't get offended you resort to whataboutism. Because you totally don't get offended at all. Because you're not at all triggered about the name of a baseball team getting changed - and it's not even your team.
Grow up or stay mad, broski.
Is this serious? Do you think youre being clever?
what whataboutism did i bring up? The poster i responded to alleged that whites, but not other races, have been committing atrocites since the beginning of mankind. Do you agree with that statement?The poster then used that argument, and my race, in an attempt to dismiss my opinions as if they were less valid than his. I think i might be offended if i cared what ray thought, but now i just find it funny how dumb he is.
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1 minute ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:
Man, the point is going right over your head.
You're upset that natives have an opinion on something that directly impacts them. It bothers you so much so that you're here arguing against their opinion, telling them to be stronger lol. Yet, you're offended by the same thing and it has no direct impact on your life. Truly amazing.
Am i not allowed to have an opinion?
3 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:You're clearly offended; you're here in this thread arguing against a decision that impacts your life nilch. You're so offended you felt the need to seek out a study that agreed with you. You're arguing with posters whose opinion is "good with me, I got no skin in the game and might as well be respectful with something that means nothing to me."
Racist lolololol
I didnt seek out any studies. Youre mixing me up with another poster.
and yeah, attributing all the worlds atrocities to white people is racist
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4 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:
You don't want to offend anyone, you're just offended when they tell you that it's offensive to them. Makes sense. Keep that logic flowing.
5 minutes ago, Quin said:The translation here is that even if Native Americans are offended, your opinion matters more because you're a big strong man who doesn't care even though you clearly do.
This is some pretty poor projection on both of your parts. Voicing a disagreement isnt the same as claiming im offended by something.
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5 minutes ago, Texsox said:
It used to be called being polite and well mannered.
Big difference between being polite and well mannered and walking on eggshells to avoid any form of offense.
if theres no intent to offend, than the offended party should stfu and get over it. This goes for pretty much everything in life. -
2 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:
You're white I'm guessing; which literally explains this. It's very easy to not be offended when you've been the one committing atrocities for the duration of mankind. I know, because nothing offends me, because I've had a leg up in pretty much every aspect of life.
And again, you are acting offended that they're changing the team name when you have NO CONNECTION to the team or the name. That makes you significantly more "soft" than people who feel they are being exploited by professional organizations who don't care one bit about educating fans on Native History; because they actually have skin in the game. You have none, yet here you are getting outraged that other people have feelings that aren't the same as yours. Amazing you don't see the irony in that.
Sounds pretty racist to say whites have been committing atrocities for the duration of mankind. Do you think other races havent? Do you know where the origin of the word slave comes from? Have you studied any of the atrocities committed in asia or africa that had nothing to do with whites? Or are you one of these modern day “white people are responsible for all the worlds ills” racists?
FTR, im not offended in the slightest. I just think its stupid.
stay mad bro
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2 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:
You can't acknowledge that your study was done and funded by a team with some serious bias, and that even in that study 10% of Native's were offended. Why do you want to offend 10% of any group of people just to maintain a teams pointless name?
My study? Didnt realize i am now the washington post.
i dont want to offend anyone. I just dont give af if i inadvertently do so. And i think people in general need to stop purposefully looking for things to be offended by - because thats exactly what this has become. And by giving in to those types of peoples demands, it encourages others to dig through society for things to become outraged by. It creates a culture of victimhood.
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21 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:
If you think you learned a non-white washed Native American history then I really can't help you. I can link you some books if you'd like to read about real history - not just the few incidents we felt the need to teach. For example, did you know we are occupying vast land that we agreed to give up in many agreements? That we have robbed and pillaged native Communities within the last 100 years?
Why do you care what the Cleveland baseball team is named? Why is it so difficult for people like you to have some respect for people who disagree with you and feel strongly about something that is personal to them but not to you? It's truly baffling.
Oh, and what tribe was Chief Black Hawk a part of? I'm sure you'll look it up now, but the point remains.
Should Minnesota be forced to change the name of their football team that portrays nordic people of the past as warrior driven vikings, when in reality many were peaceful farmers? How is that portrayal of a people any different than portraying Indians as great warriors? Do you think cleveland picked that name to demean natives?
I dont care what hypersensitive, constantly offended people say or think. I cant imagine living life constantly worrying about that. Seems like an awful life. You act like all native americans are offended by the name, but even with the more offensive redskins name at most half were.
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45 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:
Hmph. “The only poll that can possibly count is the one that confirms my bias and if you present any other polls that disagree I will not evaluate them at all”.
Thats exactly what youre doing also. Rather than acknowledging one studies results you just bring up another without any context or explanation. Just heres another study that contradicts yours. It comes off as you being dismissive of the study you dont like.
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1 hour ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:
Tell me why the blackhawks are named the Blackhawks since you've become so educated on native Americans due that lol
You ever think maybe we should be taught about what really happened to natives in school instead of, you know, through professional sports caricatures?
Named after the first owners ww1 regiment that was named after chief black hawk.
not sure what quality of education you received but i learned about the trail of tears, indian wars, and how they were ravaged by exposure to diseases they had no immunity to when i was in school.
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5 hours ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:
Why are people so willing to pay Trevor Bauer $30 million per season? He could easily have a 4.50 ERA in 2021.
Well he just won the cy young award
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1 hour ago, caulfield12 said:
We’re not talking about the Guardians, the Fighting Walleyes, the Blue or Green Sox, the Midges, the Spiders or the Cleveland Baseball Team. Any connection to the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame – Rocks, Rock Stars, North Coast Rockers – has been disallowed as well.
We’re not even talking about jewels such as the Cleveland Rock-a-Fellers. Think about that, one name covers the Rock Hall, Hall of Famer Bob Feller and former Cleveland millionaire John D. Rockefeller. That took some doing, but that ground has been turned over more than once.City on the lake: Belters (after the Rust Belt and the home runs they hopefully hit, and not from The Expanse/Sci-Fi Network), Centrals (best location in the nation), Rapids (as in RTA), Municipals and Native Sons (not to be confused with James Baldwin novel).
18 different categories of names listed, majority are pretty darned awful
I hope they go with the Martians, and in 100 years are forced to change their name again when concerned alien rights groups start petitions saying the name is offensive to extraterrestrial life forms
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3 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:
Yeah, younger people have taken over the movement and they don't people profiting off their culture. It was an interesting debate.
There's actually been a real interesting push from the younger native group to hold the government accountable and get their land back in the dakotas and Oklahoma specifically. The young natives have been critical of some of the older natives for their "participation of their exploitation."
That's a different discussion but my take away is if they're bothered by the logo and profiting off their culture i see no reason to continue it going forward. Given that it means nothing to me beyond being a piece or clothing.
What they're really mad about is the teams making any sort of profit and not giving it to them. Young people unfortunately are morons and I say that as a millennial. They'll push to get teams to change their names, the teams will still make the same if not greater profit, and the only outcome will be native culture completely separating and being forgotten by larger American culture. Being a fan of the Blackhawks and Illini, that fandom introduced me to the history of indians in the midwest, that frankly without being a fan of those teams I would otherwise know nothing about. By separating native american culture from mainstream American culture, the only inevitable outcome is it being forgotten.
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3 hours ago, Yearnin' for Yermin said:
Should the Blackhawks and fighting irish go?
It's like the episode of community where they try to pick a mascot that doesn't offend anyone and they go with the Greendale Human Beings.
People must be absolutely braindead to think that a team picks a mascot to ridicule or demean what's represented by the mascot.
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1 minute ago, Chisoxmb35 said:
No because context matters. The Blackhawks isn't a pejorative and had the endorsement of actual native Americans.
How tf is “indians” pejorative?
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2 hours ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:
Is Ray Ray actually Ricky Renteria or Ricky’s personal assistant? Ever since Ricky got canned, Ray has been going after the organization’s every move as well attacking everyone here. Also was constantly defending Ricky during his time with the Sox, especially last season when he was defending some truly awful late game bullpen decisions (decisions that I considered indefensible).
He doesnt watch the games...so yeah, probably is ricky
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4 minutes ago, flavum said:
I'm not quoting anyone, nor do I wish to discuss this other than to give my opinion...
Tony La Russa shouldn't have been hired because there was no process...it was just Reinsdorf hiring a buddy, and that's not cool.
This “im mad about the process” argument is quite possibly the dumbest one out there. Reminds me of government workers that congratulate others on their process implementation even when the results achieved are average or worse. Process oriented people, generally, are failures. Jerry hired BY FAR the best manager available. A living legend that is a top 10 manager of all time.
Just LMAO at being mad about the process.-
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Surprised this thread is still going. Bauer isnt coming here
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5 hours ago, Yearnin' for Yermin said:
I remember watching brad hand pitch against the Sox and being completely underwhelmed by his stuff, mainly his fastball. His delivery looked pretty deceptive, though. His numbers are consistently solid.
Every time i watch him i think he sucks
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4 minutes ago, Orlando said:
Don’t worry. Big Tony will be calling the games from the dugout, he is a Hall of Famer baseball person after all. The dude is legit.
Unironically actually feel good about that
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Mccann has been very streaky offensively. But the front office should have paid more attention to how calls a game with his staff. There was a noticeable difference between how grandal approached calling a game and how mccann did last year.
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1 hour ago, Jack Parkman said:
Seeing this, I get exactly what they're doing. 2021 is the only year that the Sox have a chance to win a title. They're not going to be able to fill out their holes around the core guys after this year. In fact, It would not surprise me if a core guy or two get traded next winter. If they have $160M committed for 2022 I see that being outside of Jerry's comfort level.
50/50 shot jerrys dead by 2025
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16 minutes ago, Sleepy Harold said:
AJ Puckett gets selected from Sox by ATL
I completely forgot we still had him. KC really fleeced us in that Melky trade. Just another miserable failure by hahn
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13 minutes ago, SoxBlanco said:
Agreed. That’s why I’m so confused by his negative defensive numbers. It wasn’t just all the times he threw somebody out. The eye test told me he was solid out there, and much better than how he looked in CF. I can’t imagine he is bad out there now, but I admittedly haven’t watched him much at all in the last few years.
Defensive WAR metrics are still a major work in progress. Combined that with small sample sizes and IMO you can throw out any defensive WAR component for eaton.
His outfield jump and sprint speed is still well above league average per statcast.
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Indians will be no more
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“Indians”?