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45 minutes ago, Quin said:
Choice Tommy Pham quotes.
Dude has always been a clown. He's just a clown that's been on an incredible hot streak with one of (if not the) worst teams in MLB history.
I'm calling BS on the high roller at many casinos statement. True high rollers do not make announcements like that on social media.
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1 hour ago, bmags said:
as the one pro Sal Perez poster...I will claim vindication
Monster year for him so far. Him and Witt Junior both going to finish in the top 5 for MVP if they keep it up all year.
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3 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:
I mean I get the idea. The trade off is finding an almost certain major leaguer worth more or less than a guy who has a very high chance of washing out with a smaller chance of making it, but even smaller at being a game changer. The Sox thought they could get sure fire 10 year starters in Vaughn and Madrigal. There is value in that. The Sox were drafting guys they thought were somewhere between 45-55 type players. Some of these other guys are 30-65 type players, but the odds put them on the low end.
The problem is the Sox also were absolutely terrible at turning these guys into those players. But it isn't like the Sox were the only ones looking at Vaughn and Madrigal. If the Sox don't take them, they get taken very quickly after that. But what happened to them after that is what I think the problem is. Does a Cleveland turn Madrigal into another Kwan? Do the Rays turn Andrew Vaughn into the kind of .280/30hr/100 rbi guy that the draft world thought he would be?
Nope. Madrigal was a wasted pick the second it was announced. Tanked a whole year and used a top 5 pick on a guy who can barely clear the yard with a wooden bat during batting practice.
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2 hours ago, Buehrle>Wood said:
I mean it was probably comparing himself to being a slave and other weird social media posts. If he's doing that stuff publicly, I kind of doubt he's much better privately with them. He went full Yermin. You never go full Yermin. But you also can't do that stuff and then proceed to hit .216.
Wait what happened here?
Also, whatever happened to the Yerminator? Last I heard he was playind down in Mexico or something?
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4 hours ago, hogan873 said:
Hey, TLR tried. He said not to run hard. Maybe he was on to something with these guys made of glass.
Yep. TLR might have been a washed up drunk, but the dude had been around professional ballplayers for decades. He knew that he had a bunch of prima donnas and china dolls on the roster and tried to delay the inevitable injuries for as long as possible.
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4 minutes ago, WestEddy said:
Because there is no stat that measures "panic". I do not accept that roster churn, alone, represents panic. Panic would be trading Noah Schultz and Brooks Baldwin for Frankie Montas to shore up the pitching staff. Cycling Kevin Pillar through, no matter how long he played, is baseball business as usual.
Holiday played 10 games. All starts. Ramos played in 10 games, started 9. Sosa played 12, started 9. Sosa has had 240 PAs at the major league level. He was pressing so hard, he was making basic mistakes. He's not a "prospect" anymore, so I see no problem with moving him up and down. His ceiling is a utility infielder, at this point. Fletcher started 18 of the 20 games in which he appeared. He was pressing, couldn't get started, offensively, and was making basic defensive mistakes. They gave him a timeout.
None of this is data, or is compared to anything. Fletcher, Lee, Ramos, Shewmake, Colas, Sosa and Julks are what I would consider the "rookies" hitting the roster. Fletcher, Lee, Ramos, Sosa and Shewmake all got long enough looks. Lee and Ramos had success, and their looks continue. Colas is considered to not be ready. Sosa and Shewmake profile as utility infielders. I'm not sure what they're doing with Fletcher, now. I could make something up for you, but I'm not concerned.
Shewmake started 21 of the 29 games in which he appeared. Except for Colas, Julks (who looks like he'll get a long look), and Ramos (who was injured), everybody got longer looks than Jackson. So the answer to your implied question is 1. We've blown through one guy with a shorter intentional look than Holliday, and that's Colas.
Again, you ignore the issue that the Sox were losing at a pace where every loss was a national news story. I believe that striking out 4 times and logging 2 errors every night on a team that is being covered like the Yankees isn't beneficial, and that had to be fixed. No, win-loss record doesn't matter. Losing at that rate does.
Also, Baltimore has been building a team for 7 years. They should have a more stable roster. This is year Zero of the rebuild for the Sox. We should have more flux.
The fact that you won't concede any point means we're still playing "you can't convince me". Show me one statistic that is generally agreed to measure "panic". There are none. This entire conversation is subjective on both our parts. You think I haven't proven anything, and I think you haven't proven anything.
LMAO. Every Sox loss was a national news story and covered like the Yankees? Is this a comedy bit?
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4 hours ago, Texsox said:
Tony was years ahead of everybody with load monitoring and having guys not go all out.
Starting to seem like it. TLR knew that he had a bunch of prima donnas and china dolls on his roster and that he needed to buck conventional thinking to alleviate big time injuries.
in retrospect it is pretty amazing that TLR was able to lead the Sox to a division title. His tenure with the White Sox will be looked at a little more fondly once a couple decades past.
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1 hour ago, WestEddy said:
The injury in CF forced a move of our RF into CF, where he was more exposed, defensively, and then to play a worse RF in RF. I don't like Sheets in RF, either, but he had a hot bat, and with management wanting to keep Benny, Vaughn and Eloy getting at-bats, probably to break them out of their slumps so they could trade them (or just get offense, in Benny's case), RF is the only option.
DeJong and Lopez are above average, defensively. Vaughn, Sheets and Benintendi suck. Pham is average in CF. I don't like the Maldonado signing, either. I suppose they feel his game calling and presence outweigh the other aspects of his game. I would be happy with a Maldonado DFA tomorrow. Lee is catching half of the games, now, so that's something.
I don't care if what's happening with the rotation is planned or not. The "plan" was to see if Crochet, Fedde, Flexen and Soroka could be starting pitchers in MLB. That plan was a success. The "plan" also seemed to be to get place-holders eating innings while the prospects progressed. He did that.
I'll rely on people who develop prospects for an opinion on the best way to get prospects acclimated to the majors. If you want rookies to get "comfortable" in the majors, it's probably good for their base-running error to not open the top of every hour on CNN the next 24 hours because they're a historically bad team. The major leagues is about guys being able to perform. If they're not executing their pitches, or striking out 1/3 of their PAs, they may not get too much time to get comfortable. Lenyn Sosa isn't the future of this franchise. I'm not worried about him getting yanked after 40 PAs.
As far as "dumping as much of the roster they could", they've cut or traded 6 older vets who have been on the parent club. I understand your difficult situation, trying to argue something that is a huge positive (taking non-performing players off the 26-man roster) as grossly negative, in a weird "panic" framing. The roster churning is a good thing. Yes, I think he had to stop the bleeding. I'm not sure why Brad Keller needs to keep pitching on a 14-34 team, just for continuity's sake.
One of Nastrini, Cannon or Thorpe may get a start this week. If roster churn makes you queasy, then buckle in, because there's going to be a lot more. And it will all be good.
Why do you keep repeating that national news organizations care about the White Sox? The White Sox are an afterthought in the Chicago Sports media market. No one at the national level like CCN gives one sh*t about them.
29 minutes ago, WestEddy said:Well, thank you for at least acknowledging that example. I would say that the White Sox found themselves in a situation where they really had to stop the bleeding in order for their rookies to play in obscurity. It doesn't help when NBC is breaking into American Ninja Warrior to give an update on Sosa's run-down gaffe. Fletcher got a nice long audition before he was sent down.
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Isn't here like half a billion dollars of unpaid debt still left on the Soldier Filed renovations? How are they going to make that debt magically disappear?
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43 minutes ago, hankchifan said:
3-18. Shut out 7 times in first 19 games, most in123 years. 45 runs in 21 games. 2 or fewer runs in 14 games. Last in all major offensive categories in MLB. And having the chutzpah of promoting a new stadium. What a major embarrassment this is.
Change is urgently needed. As we can’t fire the whole team, start with firing Grifol, with Getz on deck. Need to shake this tree.
Haven't heard much about the new stadium in the media lately. Who in their right mind would put up close to a billion dollars to finance a stadium for this trainwreck of an organization?
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6 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:
Whether Cease, Burger, and/or Aaron Bummer was here, we are going to go through years of bad baseball. Period. End of story. Even in that list of 3 players, Dylan Cease is the only one with any REAL value to a franchise. I won't pretend that Jake Burger and Aaron Bummer are some sort of difference makers. If you get value to specialty relievers and DH's you trade them everytime when you have a 100 loss team if someone is willing to give you some value for them.
This isn't just bad baseball though. This is historically bad baseball. it is absolutley unwatchable.
At least with Cease or Sale you could tune in every 5 days. Or with Burger there was always a chance for a Burger bomb and the dude appeared to actually play with some hustle.
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1 hour ago, JoeC said:
...so what will work?
Likely nothing as long as JR is the owner and Chris Getz the General Manager. Hopefully this offeason the team attempts to build around Robert and Crochet by signing some veteran free agents who aren't totally washed up. They should also try to identify which of their top prospects are really just fools gold and trade them for some players who can make an immediate impact.
59 minutes ago, GreatScott82 said:Well said. Gordon Beckham mentioned on the CWS talk podcast awhile back that Getz indirectly ackowledged that Hahn/KW held onto their 'core' players too long. Getz told Beckham that he wants to be able to maximize on a players return values earlier rather than waiting. The tricky part is all of these damn injuries for these broken/expensive players. It's hard to unload bad contracts to guys made of glass. The key to fixing this thing is from the bottom up. The farm system needs to acquire multiple blue chippers and perhaps finally learn how to scout and develop their own homegrown talent. Something that the Sox just never do.
Another immediate fix would be for Jerry to sell, but since he would be too bored in his final years, Sox fans will be hanging out in pergatory until his final days arrive.
Would you include Louis Robert in the category of "core" players that were held onto too long?
Acquiring multiple blue chippers is a lot easier said than done. Most Sox fans I know have very little interest in sitting through another 4-5 tank job of unwatchable baseball.
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6 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:
No, the tank era started when every single player regressed from 2021-22, and turned the major league roster into a dumpster fire. Being ignorant of the teams position and failing to get a return for expiring assets would have only compounded the problem that this team was already facing. It is sunk cost fallacy. The failure already occurred. It's what is done afterwards that can cost the team years and prospect capital.
I think the point you are missing is that some of us don't really get a crap about prospect capital at this point. We already played that game before and struck out badly. Chris Sale or Dylan Cease pitching every 5 days was at least a reason to turn on the television and watch a game. There is really no reason to turn on the game right now and watch this hot pile of garbage.
Another tank job will not work!
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On 4/20/2024 at 12:30 AM, Green Line said:
NO MORE REBUILDS. They don’t work here.
Sox fans need to accept this. There are two options going forward for this franchise
1. “Rebuild” and continue acquiring prospects who bust and patiently waiting for that dynasty that will never come. You all die at the end with nothing.
2. Do what they did from 1990-2014 and continue signing washed up boppers to supplement a meager farm and praying that something accidentally clicks. (And hope for a Frank Thomas…)
With option 2 we probably get nothing, but once every 10 years we might get a random playoff run and 2-3 years of 2nd place collapses.
With option 1 we get corpse ball and record breaking futility.
There a few of us around here who have been saying this for quite some time. The only chance this team has for any kind of success as long as JR is the owner is the catch lighting in a bottle approach. As you mention option 1 leaves us with one of the worst baseball rosters ever assembled at a time where they aren't even eligible to get the #1 pick in 2025.
On 4/20/2024 at 12:33 AM, Green Line said:It was a massive mistake.
Tanking doesn’t work 99% of the time.
Rick Hahn and company started the Sox tank job right after the Astros and Cubs turned into behemoths via the tank job route. Problem was those front offices were extraordinary and willing to put in the work. The Sox front office was the opposite.
On 4/20/2024 at 8:29 AM, southsider2k5 said:Lol. I hate to break it to you, but we already have nothing. Even free agency wasn't going to save this mess. We are in a rebuild whether we want to be or not because there is no talent on this roster.
The Sox didn't need to trade away Dylan Cease, Jake Burger, or Aaron Bummer. Wouldn't have made much of a difference most likely, but trading away those guys pretty much signaled the start of another tank job era on the South Side.
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7 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:
If we are talking about what the process of the trade was, most of this is not relevant. The point was to get someone who could actually help the franchise when it was good again, not to waste three more years with a DH. Eder was a top left handed starting pitching prospect before his Tommy John. Obviously if he had recovered quickly and not suffered a subsequent injury on his road back to the mound, he wouldn't have been available for a mediocre bat only DH. That's the thought process behind the trade. Take a chance on getting him healthy and back on the mound on a regular basis again to see if he rounds back into the form that made him a borderline top 100 guy. With his second injury he never went through the ramp up process of getting his strength and conditioning back post TJS, which was obvious with his still recovering velocity during the fall league. If you want to be hung up on his ERA in 8 innings of 2024, but not Burger's 88 OPS for 64 PAs, as some kind of disqualifying rational for why you don't make the trade last year, feel free to engage in your circular logic all you like. The bottom line is the kid has thrown 56 innings since the end of 2021. I suspect he is a guy who will get better as the season wears on as he gets back into condition to start.
It's not just this year for Eder though. He has been terrible since the Sox acquired him and hasn't shown any signs of getting better yet. Jake Burger has proven he can hit major league pitching and is a power bat that the Sox offense could use right about now.
Again, Rick and Kenny were not even in communication with each other on this trade. Bad process on a horrible trade.
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4 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:
He is a very limited bat only player whose bat doesn't outweigh the rest of his game enough to be sad over. People can grind on the return for Burger all they want, but taking a shot at a potential front line pitcher isn't the worst approach to a deal like this. Obviously the injury and slow recovery from it has soured people on Eder, but the thought process behind this deal was decent. I do think Burger gets overrated just because of how bad everyone else has been.
Are you sure about that? There are rumors out there that dumb and dumbere, er I mean Rick and Kenny, were not even in communication with each other on this trade.
Eder is currently sporting an era over 7 at AA. Burger has proven he is a legit power bat at the major league level. Sorry, but it was a teriible trade.
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4 hours ago, Tony said:
It's sort of like the Joker speech in The Dark Knight.
It's ok to be awful, but it has to be part of the plan. Everyone was pretty much on board when the Sox traded away Sale and Eaton, because we had seen too much mediocre baseball, it wasn't working, and at least they had a vision and plan in mind for what they wanted to become. So we were ok watching really awful baseball for a few years because there was this baked in pot of gold at the end of the rainbow that it was all leading to something.
This isn't that. No one knows what the plan is. The Sox owner said he didn't want to "waste a year" after going through "the most painful season of his life" last season. They are far worse than they were last season.
If Getz met the media in January and said: "Listen, I didn't agree with a lot that went on here over the last decade. I respect Kenny and Rick a great deal, but this roster isn't anywhere close to where it needs to be. I know Sox fans want a winner and they deserve a winner, but as the roster currently stands, where not very close. So I've got a lot of work to do, and it's going to take us all, as a unit, some time to build this foundation the way we know it needs to be built. I'm going to be as transparent as possible with this fan base of what we're trying to do, and I hope in short order you're going to start seeing those results on the field. It's going to hurt for a while, but my only goal here is building a sustained winner for the Chicago White Sox. We owe the city that."
You say that, and the attitude of this fan base changes a good deal, in my opinion. Obviously results will be the true test, but if we are talking about where we sit on April 15th, 2024...a simple level set last winter would have done this fan base a lot of service. But of course, that's not what they decided to do.
Not everyone was on board with the Sale and Eaton trades. Some people recognized that the Rick Hahn/KW general managing duo would have little to zero chance of sustained success. They were chased away at the time by the Rick Hahn fanboys, but history has proven the Hahn "haters" correct. Letting Rick Hahn and KW architect the tank job and "rebuild" was such a colossal mistake.
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11 hours ago, RTC said:
Embrace the horror.
It will be interesting to see how the Sox marketing team plays this as the season grinds on. There could be an opportunity to promote the hisorical suckage in a savvy way come late September. It would be something to see a sold outSox Park rooting for the opposotion as the Sox approach 120 losses.
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2 hours ago, 77 Hitmen said:
The city has rejected a proposal by the White Sox to use the city's amusement tax as part of the funding stream for the new stadiums.
The City of Chicago needs every penny of tax reveunue it can get. It will not want divert any of the amusement tax to other sources. Reinsdorf has very little leverage here. He is going to start talking publiclicly about moving the team again pretty soon. It's the only play the old timer still has at this point.
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4 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said:
You absolutely do that traded 10/10 times. However, in hindsight, I would have preferred to watch Sale dominate for those 3 seasons we had him under control 🤷♂️
Turned out to be a pretty shitty trade for the Sox now 7 and a half years later. Kopech and Moncada both turned out to be epic busts. Sale was injured a lot in Boston but helped them win a championship and flags fly forever.
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5 minutes ago, vilehoopster said:
And can we stop blaming Grifol or the training staff or anyone or anything else for the injuries. This is the player that he is, just like Eloy.
Do you really believe that if Grifol and the training staff would have held him out for a few days to rest whatever, that he would have been hurt a week later or two weeks later? Of course not.
Why can't it be a combination of both of these things?
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9 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:
That's just it. It isn't the same three players getting hurt every year. It is more than that. But we only talk about three of them.
What other position players would you add to the always getting hurt list? TA and Grandal seem to come to to mind as well. Maybe Burger but most of his injuries happened when he was still a young pup in the minors.
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1 hour ago, Bob Sacamano said:
Yeah, I know what I prefer for them to do and I don’t have the energy to argue it. I’ve grown numb to their decision making honestly.
You are not alone. Fan interest in White Sox baseball seems to be at an all time low. Just like David Gilmour, a lot of Sox fans have become comfortably numb.
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2 hours ago, Dick Allen said:
Yeah because who needs to go to class.
I mean the NIL $$$ kind of signaled the end of the "student athlete". You are a professional if you are getting paid to play sports. Doesn't matter if you are 12 year old making mint playing esports or a 20 year old division 1 college football player.
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Fletcher’s brother becoming a big part of the gambling/Mizuhara scandal
in Pale Hose Talk
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Yep. MLB as an employer has every right to do business with legal sportsbooks and write out a policy that places restirctions on what players and employees of mlb can bet on. If the players or employyes of mlb don't like the company policy, then they are free to find another job.
Also, every major sports organization sells booze and has partnerships with companies that produce alcholic beverages. Hell, Nascar has lucrative parternships with beer companies, Doesn't mean that they still don't have a policy that drivers can't participate in races while under the influence of alcholol.