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  1. On 6/7/2024 at 11:06 AM, WestEddy said:

    Were you drunk? Your post was good. Thanks for it. 

    Greg Maddux talked a lot about the grueling nature of that extra couple of weeks tacked onto the end of a season. It really wears on these guys. Statistical reporting often pointed out the White Sox' propensity to keep their starters on the field, which is a good thing. That didn't seem to end careers of the stars, prematurely. Crede crashed and burned, and Rowand fell of the table abruptly. 

    I look at the drafts of the late 90s/early aughts. They were terrible, and the first rounders were snake-bitten. Stumm, Ginter, Honel. They made such a big deal about Kip Wells, and he was...just okay. They just weren't able to establish any reliable wave of talent. 

     

    On 6/11/2024 at 12:54 PM, Tony said:

    That team was defined by a few key things:

     

    Neal Cotts 2005: 1.94 ERA in 60 IP

    Neal Cotts 2006: 5.17 ERA in 54 IP

    Cliff Politte 2005: 2.00 ERA in 67.1 IP

    Cliff Politte 2006: 8.70 ERA in 30 IP

    Mark Buehrle 2005: 3.12 ERA in 236 IP

    Mark Buehrle 2006: 4.99 ERA in 204 IP

    I specifically remember Buehrle in 2006 simply could not be counted on, it seemed like every time the Sox had a big game, he just s%*# the bed. That season was a pretty big outlier for him, and the workload from 2005 most likely played a big part in that. 

    Cotts and Politte were so valuable for the Sox in 2005, and both were absolute trash for the Sox in 2006.

    Those three guys having the seasons they did, IMO, cost the Sox the division.  

    i'm glad you took the reigns of my premise

  2. alright i've come around from the OP's first post.

     

    Say for instance the White Sox won a quarter more of those games blown out of 20 and that adds 2-3 wins to our starters' stats but also takes pressure off of both those starters and the relievers because they definitely have had a lot of trouble after the first five innings or so. Taking on an aging reliever for a former top 50 prospect struggling (think korey lee but younger, we like him right?) or something and eating a third of the cost of a stupid contract for a season or two while we're going to pay like brebbia or anderson the same price... there might be something to this. One solid reliever can make every other pitcher's stats look better and add value to them even if they're not part of the big picture.  Granted our starters are so bad that most of the overpaid relievers would probably wind up starting a few games but at least it's a thought? What teams overpaid a reliever but are looking like non-contenders? take that reliever and their 6th best prospect and call it a day. 

  3. 7 hours ago, Chick Mercedes said:

    Getz will do the same he did with Cease. Ask for the first born son of the GMs around the league. He won’t get it, will get lowballed, and the league will wait him out.

    I'm looking forward to the top prospect from the trade striking out a 15 year old in A- ball on 92 meatball and all the "TOLDYASO"s after he has a 16 ERA beforehand brought down to 11.  

  4. 50 minutes ago, The Mighty Mite said:

    Yes, that works for me, JR must open up the checkbook but first thing is that Getz and Grifol must go before anything else is done, bring in an experienced GM who knows how to put together a baseball team and a farm system with the best scouts, managers and coaches.

    It's going to take a massive unexperienced ego for anyone to touch this team though regardless of the price. No one's going to ruin their reputation trotting out injured cubans and gavin sheets next year because they might want a job with a team that doesn't terribly suck in the future. Whoever gets this franchise to .500 is going to get hired immediately by another competent team while Michael Reinsdorf probably promotes Benintendi to minor league coach and Maldonado to GM 

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  5. 1 hour ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

    I couldn’t read through your entire drunk post but I do remember thinking that the 2006 team was way better than the 2005 team and would easily make it to the playoffs.  They ended up with a good record (90 wins?) but the division magically improved that year.  They should have been a WC team at the very least but they missed out.

    well i'm glad you had those other 3000 posts of "this team is poopy" on your record instead of reading like 40 words 

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  6. objectively this team is going to need a lot of subjective decisions before they can even get remotely competitive to think like an objective team you subjectively objective subjective objective 

  7. i did some accidental research while looking up why morneau won the mvp in 2006 (when they went on a historical run due to him and the white sox a decent collapse) and something that stuck out because the white sox have used almost a historical number of starting lineups and pitchers and etc. this year

    in 2006 after the world series they only used 37 different starters including pitchers and the league average was 44 and the second closest was 42
    outside of garcia/garland/buehrle/vaqzuez/contreras only two other pitchers started games
    and they pitched 2 and 1 games respectively, brandon mccarthy and charlie haegar (this is is the most insane stat imo that no one got hurt) 
    and all of them had mid 4 ERAs
    while the offense was mashing
    still never gave any rest to any of the starters
    juan uribe played the least amount of games in 2016 at 132
    out of regular starters

    4 of our 4 highest played bench players batted between 280 and 330


    so is it possible ozzie ran the same group to the ground after the championship and all those extra games and wear and tear of winning the championship?

    https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CHW/2006.shtml

    I just thought it was an interesting enough distraction to think about from the rest of this season and recent past and also a bit of odd statistical hindsight on what we thought would be a power house. Having five starters start all of your games with extensive innings seems insane in retrospect and having 4 guys off the bench batting high enough to start for most teams but barely getting playing time or traded for a championship caliber team is also worth talking about. 

    I was sure that team was going to win 164 games. If I was off on any statistics feel free to correct me I just was kinda amazed by the topic matter, this was also a year when almost everyone in the ALC had 3-4 mvp candidates but I digress. 

    That was a hard year but a weird one too. 

     

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  8. If our ownership had any interest in eating salary maybe we could take an overpaid but not terrible reliever off of someone's hands if they add a mediocre prospect with upside alongside it. 

    There be some added wins to our starters when they do look good instead of the bullpen entirely blowing it every time. Thus creating a few extra wins and trade value for them, maybe go for some groundball relievers struggling in hitters ballparks that are young enough and need our elite defense (lol) or something. So maybe I was harsh with the first post but there are definitely possibilities that we can pick up prospects by eating some salary of a reliever just to up the value of our starters and maybe not make our defense run around and get injured too much? 

    I don't know, trying to positive. 

  9. 36 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

    More years of control equals larger prospect return.  Robert is exciting when healthy, but I’ll pass on watching him have All-Star years on a losing team for the next three years.

    That seems like a pretty quick contradiction. If you're expert guru GM that thinks more control equals larger return despite the fact that he's sucking and coming off of injury then you should have no issue with waiting on him to produce a bit better on this losing team. 

  10. On 5/28/2024 at 10:38 AM, kitekrazy said:

    We have this bad habit of treating baseball 1st round picks likes it the NFL or NBA.  HoF type players will spend less time but those are rare.

    Last I heard Colson didn't spend much time in AA.

    they also seem to have a bad habit of sucking 

  11. 8 hours ago, Timmy U said:

    Tigers sent Torkelson to AAA. I wonder if the Sox are even thinking that way.

    why do teams keep drafting catchers that cant catch if they're just going to turn them into first basemen unless their hitting peripherals are through the roof 

  12. 12 hours ago, The Mighty Mite said:

    OMG.

    I hope MLB isn’t seriously considering expansion, there aren’t enough good pitchers to go around right now, it would be a joke if they went ahead with expansion.

    there are several journeymen out there with 3 ERAs. just because the white sox fucking suck don't put that poison on everyone else 

  13. That's what really pisses me off about the bullshit they sold us on this season. I love defense and smallball and all the romanticism around it. Instead we're watching clowns that either are living off of reputation or spending too much time in Bridgeport before the games; There's nothing fun about this team.  It was a garbage selling point to begin with but it would be like if they debuted a cool new mascot and it showed up looking like some 4th (guaranteed) rate garbage off of wish or alibaba 

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