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Why is it such a blunder for the Sox that we didn't resign that archaic character to an inflated price?
I'm glad that he's not coming back. Not because that means that Harris will be our new 2b, but because R. Alomar is on the downside of his career and we already have enough problems as it is.
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As of the moment, PK's hip problems are an Internet rumor, not anything that's ever been confirmed.
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From the MarlinsBaseball.com Forum at http://www.marlinbaseball.com/forums/index...showtopic=12305 :
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Contact: Carmen Thurman
248-552-8690 or cthurman@camtre.com
“Take Me Out To The Ball Game…”
Detroit, Michigan –Global Baseball, Inc. (GBI) and Cam-Tré Innovations today announced the completion of their initial discussions to bring Major League Baseball back to the corner of Michigan and Trumbull. Local Metro Detroit Venture Capitalists, Gus Aguilar and former Major League player Nikco Riesgo, of GBI, and Carmen Thurman, of Cam-Tré Innovations, are Michigan based Hispanic business leaders with a common desire to participate in revitalizing Detroit.
GBI is currently preparing proposals for the purchase of the National League Montreal Expos, with the specific intent of moving the club to Detroit. The troubled Expos were purchased by the other twenty-nine Major League teams prior to the 2002 season. A committee appointed by the team owners is now seeking a new home for the team. Riesgo, who actually debuted in 1991 for the Expos, believes that Detroit will be a prime candidate. “There are several other cities already vying for the team,” he said. “But moving the Expos to one of those locations means the leagues will have to revise their divisions and wait for a new stadium to be built. Neither of those problems are issues in Detroit. We can play our first game in 2005.” If the purchase is successful, GBI will become only the second minority group with controlling interest in a Major League ball club.
While GBI negotiates the purchase, Cam-Tré will design a new fan reservation website, prepare media materials, new logo proposals (current Expos colors will be retained), and public relation programs, manage promotional activities and act as liaison to the team and city. When asked about the wisdom of bringing a second Major League team to Detroit, Riesgo explained that: “This is a very wise – and timely – move. The city is already implementing downtown improvements for the 2006 Super Bowl. Bringing the former Tiger Stadium back to life will complement the Super Bowl efforts, particularly in the Cork Town area. New businesses and new jobs will spring up around the stadium, just as has happened in other two-team cities.” Riesgo also pointed out that tourism would increase through organized Expos travel packages for Canadian fans.
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Along with the desire to help revitalize Detroit, GBI and Cam-Tré also share an interest in preserving baseball heritage. “Baseball has been played at the corner of Michigan and Trumbull since 1896, before the Tigers were even formed” offered Aguilar. “Navin Field opened on April 20, 1912, the same day as Fenway Park. Two years later, Chicago opened what would become Wrigley Field. These three parks are the only remaining direct links to the early heritage of professional baseball.” Riesgo then ventured that: “Heritage and tradition make up the core of baseball and fans have a deep understanding of that. I believe that once again seeing professional baseball in one of the three ‘Grande Dames’ of the sport will be a major factor in the success of this venture.”
According to Thurman, blending baseball’s heritage with Detroit’s presents the GBI and Cam-Tré team with many opportunities. The plans for the new ball club and historic stadium will help to increase the economic viability and business diversity of the community with creating jobs and minority business development at the forefront of development strategy. The plan will also create an environment that will continue giving strength to the community for years to come.
The promise of a National League team in Detroit is an exciting proposition. A National League team will not conflict with the American League Detroit Tigers. In fact, it will actually compliment the Tigers as well as the City of Detroit with the high hopes and possibility of an All-Detroit World Series every year as the ultimate prize.
Progress and developments will be reported by Cam-Tré Innovations. Please email words of support and your thoughts regarding a new MLB team in Detroit to detroitexpos@camtre.com. For additional information or to contact GBI or Cam-Tré Innovations please call 248-552-8690 or visit www.camtre.com.
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because there isnt much pitching out there.
I just said that on another thread. The state of pitching is as bad as I can ever remember it. A lot of it has to do with expansion. Because there are so many teams now, there's probably 50-100 pitchers in baseball today that wouldn't have even sniffed the majors in the old days.
Another possiblity is that the widespread use of steroids has made it that much harder to get hitters out with the result that today's pitchers have to play harder than than their predecessors did, leading to more frequent injuries.
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Peter Angelos just loves to throw money around, doesn't he? He has it to throw, I guess. However, he usually doesn't get anywhere near the bang for his buck.
Plus, he's in a division with the Red Sox, Yankees, and Blue Jays. How much of a chance do the Orioles REALLY have? If they don't shore up their pitching staff more, it's just an exercise in futility. The White Sox are a great example and great proof that you can have all the offense you want - if you don't have good pitching, forget about it.
The same could be said about the Kansas City Royals that used about 15 different pitchers last year as starters and despite a number of ballyhooed pickups in their offfense have yet to address that team's starting pitching.
Its also interesting that ex-pitcher Mike Flanagin is in O's management and does not seem to be aware that the Orioles weakness in 2003 was their pitching, not their offense. Of course, this could be part of a 2 year plan: 1st year spruce up the offense, 2nd year the pitching gets upgraded.
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From: http://www.sunspot.net/sports/baseball/bal...ports-headlines
From Thursday's Sun
Palmeiro close to return as Oriole
Team nears deal with 39-year old first baseman; Negotiations continue with Guerrero, Surhoff By Joe Christensen
Sun Staff
Originally published January 7, 2004, 10:46 PM EST
Five years and 214 home runs after leaving the Orioles as a free agent, Rafael Palmeiro appears to be headed back to Baltimore.
The Orioles are very close to an agreement to re-sign Palmeiro, team officials said Wednesday night, with the sides still negotiating whether to make it a two-year deal or a one-year deal with an option for 2005.
Palmeiro, 39, who hit his 500th career home run last year for the Texas Rangers, apparently not only wants to return to Camden Yards, he wants to play first base.
And with team sources saying the Orioles also made significant progress Wednesday in their negotiations with free agent right fielder Vladimir Guerrero, it looks like right fielder Jay Gibbons will spend much of next season as the team's designated hitter.
Asked about the Palmeiro negotiations, a top Orioles official said, "You can pretty much bet that deal's going to be made."
With regard to the Guerrero negotiations, he added, "I think we're in the driver's seat."
Palmeiro, Guerrero, and shortstop Miguel Tejada are all represented by the same agents, Fernando Cuza and Diego Benz, and after signing Tejada to a six-year, $72 million deal last month, the Orioles are giving new meaning to one-stop shopping.
After spending Wednesday in conference calls with Cuza and Benz, Orioles vice presidents Jim Beattie and Mike Flanagan also tended to other business. They are still trying to re-sign free agent pitcher Sidney Ponson, and Flanagan was expected to have another discussion with Ponson's agent, Barry Praver, late Wednesday night.
Earlier, Beattie moved closer to re-signing veteran slugger B.J. Surhoff to a minor-league contract similar to the one Surhoff signed last year. A year ago, Surhoff agreed to a deal that did not guarantee him any money unless he made the team out of spring training.
Surhoff, 39, made the team, of course, and wound up hitting .295 in 93 games.
The Orioles have already notified the left-handed hitting Surhoff that they intend to reduce his role for next season after using him in the outfield for 27 games last season.
The two sides must reach an agreement before today's deadline, or Surhoff will become a free agent, but his agent, Greg Clifton, sounded optimistic last night.
"We continue to make progress," Clifton said. "We're going to work late into the night, and early into the morning in an effort to keep B.J. in an Oriole uniform."
The Orioles have a standing five-year, $65 million offer on the table to Guerrero, and though they haven't moved much, there were indications yesterday that Guerrero's camp was softening.
Guerrero, who turned down a five-year, $65 million offer from the Montreal Expos before declining arbitration, initially asked the Orioles was for eight years, $145 million. His price lowered to seven years for $105 million, and with no other team besides the Orioles said to be offering him five years, his price has dropped again.
Whether or not the Orioles can bridge the gap with Guerrero, team officials feel like the offense is going to get a tremendous boost with Tejada, catcher Javy Lopez and Palmeiro.
After signing as a free agent with the Orioles in 1993, Palmeiro blossomed as a power hitter. After the strike-shortened season of 1994, Palmeiro began a streak of nine consecutive seasons with at least 38 home runs and 104 RBI.
He helped bring the Orioles to the American League Championship Series in both 1996 and 1997, but left to rejoin the Rangers after the 1998 season. Though he'll turn 40 on Sept. 24, Palmeiro has shown no signs of slowing down, playing in at least 154 games every year since 1995.
Last season, he hit .260 with 38 home runs and 112 RBI.
With 528 home runs and 2,780 hits, there's a chance Palmeiro could reach the 600-home run and 3,000 hit plateaus with two more healthy seasons. Unless the negotiations crumble at the last minute, Palmeiro could have a chance to reach those milestones as an Oriole.
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Sox fans are in panic mode because being in panic mode is fun.
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Under KW's reign, the worst that the Sox have done is 81-81 in 2002 and that record is supposed to be a "complete disaster"? Sure shows how spoiled Sox fans have become now that the Allyn/Veeck years of decline and fall have become a distant memory.
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This is defenilty a team that I feel can be very suprising. I really do beleive we have the makeup to pull a Flordia Marlins story. We have just enough talent to sneek into the playoffs, and IMO, we have a few gamebreakers on the team, and this season alot of guys can step up. I think this year could be interesting.
Problem is the fact that the manager doesn't seem to be up to the task. If this team repeats 2000, it very well could be despite Guillen.
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Reinsdorf will ONLY hire managers/coaches with NO previous managing/coaching experience. (See Phil Jackson, Tim Floyd, Bill Cartwright, Bevington, Lamont, LaRussa, Manuel, etc., now Ozzie!).
This is because he (JR) doesn't want ANYONE to question him on anything. (That's also why he hires inexperienced, puppet GMs (Schueler, Williams, Krause, Paxson).
Wnat more proof? Any player who ever said anything even remotely critical of the team (Fisk, Ventura, McDowell) were disposed of!
JR wants nothing but "yes men" in management roles, and thats what he gets. That is THE reason Ozzie is our manager!
:fyou JR!!!
Took a lot of time to get the research done on this rebuttal concerning Jerry Reinsdorf's alleged refusal to hire anyone who was qualified and his alleged dictatorial attitudes. Here goes:
Experience:
Phil Jackson:
From:
http://www.nba.com/coachfile/phil_jackson/?nav=page :
Jackson played in New York until 1978, when he went to the New Jersey Nets as a player-assistant coach. He retired in 1980 after 13 years in the league, having averaged 6.7 points and 4.3 rebounds over 807 contests.
After a year he rejoined the Nets and did some television commentary on television, then he returned to coaching with the Albany Patroons of the Continental Basketball Association, also coaching summers in Puerto Rico. In five seasons in Albany, Jackson steered the Patroons to a league title and won a CBA Coach of the Year Award.
Jackson left the Patroons after the 1986-87 season with a 117-90 career record and landed a job as an assistant coach with the Chicago Bulls.
Tim Floyd:
From:
http://www.nba.com/coachfile/tim_floyd/?nav=page :
Floyd came to the Bulls from Iowa State, where he was hired in May, 1994 5th basketball coach with the reputation as a one of the brightest young coaches in collegiate basketball. Upon his departure, he left as one of the winningest coaches in ISU history.
Floyd posted an 81-49 record in his four years at the helm at ISU, and is the only coach in Cyclones history to post three consecutive 20-win seasons and lead the team to three straight first-round NCAA Tournament victories.
Bill Cartwright:
From:
http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/cartwright_bio_010213.html :
Prior to taking the reigns as head coach, Cartwright spent six seasons as an assistant coach with the Bulls following his hiring on September 3, 1996. As an assistant under Phil Jackson (1996-98) and Tim Floyd (1998-2001), Cartwright helped the Bulls to the 1997 and 1998 NBA World Championships. Cartwright took control of the big men on the Bulls roster, assisting in the development of the centers and power forwards on the Bulls roster. During his tenure, he helped Elton Brand achieve Rookie of the Year honors in 2000 as the young power forward averaged 20.1 ppg and 10.0 rpg in his first season. He continued those duties initially this season with rookies Tyson Chandler and Eddy Curry and the Bulls saw rapid improvement by the teenage big men as both increased their scoring and rebounding throughout each month of the campaign.
Terry Bevington:
According to the Midwest League List of Managers at http://www.mwlguide.com/managers/ Bevington managed teams at Burlington in 1981 and Beloit in 1982. Later, Bevington became the manager of the Triple-A Sacramento River Cats and guided that team to 2 85-win seasons in 1986 & 1988 (Source: http://www.rivercats.com/doc.asp?ID=53 ). Bevington then joined the White Sox where he was a coach during 1989-1995 according to the Official Site: http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb...ory_coaches.jsp .
And if you want to find out what he's up to these days, check this out: http://www.shreveporttimes.com/html/315958...705BA1CE9.shtml
Gene Lamont:
From: http://members.tripod.com/bb_catchers/catchers/mg_lamont.htm :
Lamont joined the Royals' organization after retiring as a player in 1977, managing their Single-A Fort Myers club for two years and Double-A Jacksonville for four, finishing first in 1982 (when he was named the Southern League's Manager of the Year) and 1983.
After two seasons in Omaha he joined the Pirates' new manager, Jim Leyland, as Pittsburgh's third base coach in 1986.
When manager Jeff Torborg left the White Sox to take the same position with the Mets in 1992, Chicago hired Lamont.
Jerry Manuel:
From: http://www.onlineathens.com/1997/120597/1205.s4whitesox.html :
Manuel, a .150 career hitter in 96 major-league games over parts of five seasons, has never managed at the big-league level. He does have minor league experience running a team at Indianapolis in 1991 and AA Jacksonville in 1990, where he was Southern League Manager of the Year.
And also:
Manuel, who spent last season as bench coach beside Jim Leyland as the Florida Marlins won the World Series. For the previous six seasons, he was the third base coach for the Montreal Expos, the last five under Felipe Alou.
Tony LaRussa:
The Official Site at http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb...ory_coaches.jsp only lists LaRussa as a coach during 1978 before being hired as manager. However, it should be pointed out that it was Bill Veeck who hired LaRussa in the first place, so if you want to blame someone for LaRussa ever becoming manager, then blame him and not Reinsdorf.
Ron Schueler:
The Official Site at http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb...ory_coaches.jsp lists Schueler as a coach during 1980-1982. According to the White Sox Encyclopedia, Schueler held several positions including that of Special Assistant to then Oakland A's GM Sandy Alderson before becoming White Sox GM in 1990.
Kenny Williams:
Wasn't able to find much about KW prior to his becoming Sox GM in 2000 other than that he was the head of minor league operations.
Jerry Krause:
Before becoming the Bulls GM in 1985, Krause was a long-time scout for the White Sox.
John Paxson:
From an ESPN news piece at: http://espn.go.com/nba/news/2003/0411/1537870.html :
He was a Bulls assistant for the 1995-96 season, and has been part of Chicago's broadcast team -- both on radio and television -- for the past seven years.
Reinsdorf's Alleged Dictatorial Treatment of Others:
Carlton Fisk:
Has criticized Reinsdorf's management of the team, but that was after he was cut from the team right after he set the record for most games caught. In other words, the criticism came after his being cut and not before.
Robin Ventura:
I couldn't find anything about how he criticized the team and was allegedly punished for it.
Jack McDowell:
He just simply wanted more money than management was willing to pay him. This is hardly a case of Reinsdorf's mistreating a player.
What this all shows is that a lot of the stuff that's been going around about how poorly Reinsdorf runs his sports teams is a lot of nonsense that does not hold up to further scrutiny. Also, if you want to post something to a forum such as SoxTalk, please check out what you've heard before posting it.
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If you are still under the delusion that Pete Rose deserves to be in the HoF, then here's some heavy-duty reading for you:
Article from Baseball Prospectus:
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/news/20021031zumsteg.shtml
Also, the Dowd Report in all its footnoted glory:
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Haven't watched Wrestling for like a couple years now. (every now and then) I remember that chokeslam two. Loved every minite of it
I just wish Kane could of kicked his ass until he bleeds. 
Put me in on the list of hatred toward him :fyou Pete rose. (never forgave what you did to my cuz.)Who's your "cuz"?
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Luke Appling.
Although most Sox fans know who he was, if you ever mention his name to a non-Sox fan, chances are pretty good that they've never heard of him before.
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And hey, EVERY free agent pitcher is a gamble. Any major league pitcher's arm could go out at any time. There are very few freaks of nature like Clemons, Nolan Ryan, Maddux, etc. who pitch forever.
Instead of "freaks of nature," it could be more like exercise fanatics. Clemens, Ryan and Maddux are known to spend lots of time on conditioning, so perhaps its more like committment to stay in shape than just pure luck that keeps some pitchers fit and healthy while others go by the wayside.
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From: http://pub208.ezboard.com/fsonsofsamhornbo...topic&index=232
I think the post mortem (and it may sound overly simple) should emphasize that the Red Sox were afraid of losing a Hall of Fame shortstop and they were trying to accomodate another player in exchange for a great Hall of Famer who really wanted to play in Boston. However, 2004 and beyond are set up well enough that we had to have a deal within particular parameters for it to make sense.
Was it a mistake to find out if it could happen? I don't think so. Ultimately, under the terms we were given to make it happen, making a major change in this team would have been a mistake - in our view - particularly in our GM's view.
Of course references to the Hall of Fame are meant to refer to future Hall of Famers.
Red Sox management had a consistent consensus regarding our parameters and approach. As in all baseball matters the GM here was the lead voice internally and essentially set parameters that made sense.
Happy New Year members and to all Red Sox fans everywhere!
Edited by: JohnWHenry at: 1/4/04 1:20 am
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This is a pointless poll.
The rosters won't be set until Opening Day and yet we're to guess what they will be like and vote on that basis.
Why not wait until Opening Day to do a poll like this?
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The only way that Pete Rose should be let into the HoF is if the members of the Black Sox were also allowed in as well. Not that they should be let in, but if you stoop to the level of admitting one disgrace into the HoF, then you should let all of the other disgraces in as well.
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Some of you have been apprehensive about the Cubs's prospects for 2004 complete with dire feelings about how a Cubs return to the NL playoffs could further erode the Sox fanbase. Well, here's a corrective to those paranoid feelings from the Astros Daily fansite at http://astrosdaily.com/ :
For the first time in several seasons, the Astros enter a new campaign with few questions about which players will be doing the playing for them during the year. Even the questions they do have--about Clemens, about Hernandez, about Hidalgo--can be dealt with successfully if the answers to those questions are negative: if Clemens remains retired, if Hernandez cannot stay healthy and pitch well, if Hidalgo is traded for budgetary reasons. For the first time since 1996, when the Astros finished six games back of the Cardinals, Houston enters the season with no major questions about any part of its club--neither its starting pitching, its bullpen, its defense, its hitting or its bench. While many of us will wonder about exactly who will fill supporting roles for that bench and for that bullpen, our questions as we wait out the longest month of the year--March--will be mostly the questions fans should be asking--questions about performance, rather than personnel, about how well the club we will see will actually do on the field. Will it come together both in hitting and pitching and give us a season like the one we saw in 1998? I think it might. Houston's pitching appears more sound than that which the team had back then and, like that team, everyone knows that this team will hit. The question will be, can the Astros' offense, potentially explosive, stay healthy and largely intact for the lion's share of 162 games? If it can, then this is going to be a season which will open with even greater promise than 2003 did, and it might be a season filled with excitement we haven't seen since Randy Johnson stood on a Houston mound.
That season began much as this one has, with the acquisition of a marquee player, Moises Alou, playing the part Andy Pettitte played in December, but, like this off-season, that off-season passed with an air of quiet anticipation. It took a month for the Astros of 1998 to find their stride, but once they found it, no one stopped them until October came, and they faced a man named Brown. Like that club, this Astros team may take a month or so to jell, but if and when it does, it will be formidable. As was the case six seasons ago, the Cubs will be there again to challenge the Astros, this time with better pitching and a more versatile offense than the 90-win team Chicago had back then. It should be a terrific race between these two clubs, but you might not know it in the quiet days of January. At the moment we're all just waiting, letting the days pass, preparing as best we can, and hoping the season to come will be as bright as it has been in our dreams.
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I was curious is Sirotka employed by any team at the moment or anything? What's come of him?
I believe that he's signed a minor league contract with the Cubs.
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Here you go Pasttime......
The above links showed that JR did indeed give back just as you requested in 2001. They more than DOUBLED payroll in 2003 going from $31 million to $65 million after the 2000 Division Championship. Didn't do a hell of a lot of good, did it??
What that just goes to show is how fallacious the whole idea that you can increase your chances of success by simply spending money. Its how effectively you spend money, not how much you spend.
Also, if the Sox do ultimately pick up and leave the South Side, then Sox fans have nobody to blame but themselves. Their failure to support a quality team will in the long run insure that there will not be any baseball team other than the Cubs in Chicago.
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Excerpts from an article at: http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/...t=.jsp&c_id=cin
Avoiding salary arbitration with two of their projected regulars, the Reds agreed to one-year contracts Friday with catcher Jason LaRue and second baseman D'Angelo Jimenez.
LaRue, who earned $1.25 million last season, received $2.6 million, while Jimenez's salary rose from $345,000 to $1.615 million.
Jimenez, 25, hit a combined .273 with 14 homers, 57 RBIs and 11 stolen bases for the Chicago White Sox and Reds, which acquired him in a July 6 trade. As a Red, Jimenez batted .290 with seven homers and 31 RBIs. During the season's second half, the switch-hitter led the team in games, runs, hits, total bases and doubles and tied for the team lead in homers.
In other words, Jimenez can't hardly field in a league that does not have the designated hitter, yet his sorry performance merits a quintupling of his salary? Truly, under the current management, the Reds are doomed to the basement of the weakest division in major league baseball.
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From an article in Diamond Mind at http://www.diamond-mind.com/articles/gg2003.htm by Tom Tippett entitled "2003 Gold Glove Review":
His chief rivals in 2003 were Anaheim's David Eckstein, who was very reliable and showed more range than Rodriguez but played only 116 games, and Chicago's Jose Valentin, who got to an awful lot of balls but made 20 errors. Eckstein didn't play enough to be a serious candidate, so I'll focus on Valentin.
Valentin is somewhat error-prone, there's no question about that. His fielding percentage has lagged the league average every year he's been in the majors, sometimes by quite a bit. Since 2001, however, he's gotten better, making only 2-3 more errors per season than the average shortstop.
But Valentin has also been consistently better than the league in range during his career. In 2003, he led all major-league shortstops in net plays made and adjusted range factor, and he was second (behind Eckstein) in the STATS zone rating. Depending on which of these measures you prefer to go with, Valentin made somewhere between 20 and 56 more plays than the average shortstop. Taking the strengths and weaknesses of each of these measures into account, I'd put his contribution somewhere in the range of 30-35 plays.
This would make it his best defensive year, but it's not too far above the level he's set in previous years. Problem is, his tendency to make errors has occasionally cost him a full-time job, so we don't have a lot of recent history to go on. But if you extrapolate his part-time 2001 and 2002 seasons into full years, and if you adjust for all the errors he made in 2000, Valentin has consistently shown the ability to reach about 20 more balls per season than the average shortstop.
So my vote goes to Valentin, though not by a big margin. Rodriguez is a very solid choice, and I'm not knocking his game in any way, but Valentin has improved his error rate enough to convert his superior range into real value.
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a lot of teams (ex.Orioles,yankees,redsox) have made big signings so far this offseason. So far the white sox have not been included in trying to sign one of the big free agents this offseason. I understand that our division is pretty bad because of the twins loss of Eddie Guardado and Latroy Hawkins, but I still think we need to have a good team to win the division.
Right now I really dont like the way we look, we have a ton of open holes in our lineup. We have no official good leadoff hitter except maybe the very unexpirenced willie harris. Also that trade for Juan Uribe was just plain horrible. Aaron miles had an at bat in the third game of that series with minnesota at the end of the year. If you dont remember he hit a shot over the second basemens head and got a single. I looked at Juan Uribes numbers and they didnt impress me that much. On the other hand Aaron miles could become a great player. :fthecubs
Why is that so many Sox fans on the Internet seem to revel in trying to make their team seem just as bad if not worse than the Detroit Tigers?
There really shouldn't be any doubt in KW's ability to assemble a talented team. The real question that folks should be focusing on is whether or not the new manager is mentally competent enough to do anything with it.
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Why is it that so many White Sox fans on the Internet automatically seem to assume that anyone who their team signs is worthless?
Would You Believe The Detroit Expos?
in A and J's Olde Tyme Sports Pub
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If they move the Expos, it should be to either Buffalo or Louisville, both of which have strong attendance for minor league teams and the baseball fans in both can be fairly be described as not already solidly on the side of 1 MLB team or another.