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    Castellanos to Reds , rumored 4/64M

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    2 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:

    I’m sorry, but you’ve gone off the rails with this post.  Outside of Keuchel, none of our additions could even be argued as “backs-against-the-wall, win now” moves.  Grandal is one of top two or three catchers in baseball and solved numerous needs for us.  He was a tremendous addition even if you want to argue we’re still a year away.  Gonzalez provides cheap SP depth that this team desperately needed if you followed the team at all last and does so for $6M.  A guy like Mazara is the exact oppose of a “win now” move.  And buying a 2 to 3 win DH for 1/$10M is the definition of efficiency.

    So basically you are upset that Sox spent $55M guaranteed on a low ceiling starter in Keuchel when elite guys were available and have now decided to go on this bizarre tangent where you claim everything we’ve done has railroaded our rebuild.  Trying to argue blocking Collins is somehow this egregious offense is funny to me.  I actually like Collins as a prospect, but he not a guy who should just be handed a job, especially with Vaughn right around the corner.  Smart organizations would use him as a versatile bench piece or as minor league depth if they have any realistic chance of competing.  The Yankees did not hesitate bumping a much higher regarded prospect in Frazier down to AAA to add the same 2 to 3 win DH we’re looking at now.

    I’m sure you’re response will be we’re not ready to compete and that’s fine if you want to make that argument.  But the front office believes the clock is starting to tick with Moncada & Giolito only left with four years of control and wants to have a roster in place that can win the worst division in baseball if our young guys take big enough steps forward in their development next year.  The Twins executed this such plan to perfection last year without any elite free agents and there is reason to believe we can do the same.  If you’re going to be critical of our individual moves, at least do so under this lens.  Just don’t argue they’ve pushed all their chips in and that they’re all win at all costs moves.

    Great post.
     

    I think there’s folks around here who have never seen a winning team and are struggling with recognizing the construction of one. 

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    Edwin Encarnacion

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    14 minutes ago, pcq said:

    EE would block the other guys meaning Jose plays first and Yaz on the bench. This is counter-intuitive. 

    Who is he blocking exactly? We need to reach for the stars- not hope Collins and Garcia get at bats. 

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    Keuchel to Sox, 3 years, 55.55 million; 4th year team option

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    7 hours ago, Buehrle>Wood said:

    I certainly dont hate the Keuchel deal and am in fact happy with it, but would much prefer Ryu with that deal for only 8 million dollars more since he can be a bonafide ace. Find it weird everyone was so ready to give Wheeler 120+ mil when hes been as injured as Ryu is. I get the age difference but that makes up for 50 million less too.

    I’m so much happier with Keuchel. At absolute worst, you’re getting an innings eater who’ll keep you in games. Ryu is already at the age where keuchel will be near the end of his deal - and is oft-injured. 

    Edwin Encarnacion

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    1 hour ago, Lillian said:

    I posted my preferred lineup, with E. E. at DH, in another thread. Here it is with realistic projected home run totals, for 2020:

    Realistic HOME RUN production, with EE at DH (It could be even better, but this is conservative):

    SS Anderson            25

    3B Moncada            30

    LF Eloy                       40

    DH Encarnacion       40

    C   Grandal                25    McCann 10

    1B Abreu                   30

    RF  Mazara                25

    CF  Robert                 25

    2B Madrigal              5

    TAKE THAT TWINKIES!!!!!!  You know how I love having 3 dangerous left handed hitters, in the mix. That's precisely what I have been advocating, for the last several years.

    Those all seem very much like best case numbers. 

    Sox In on Lindor? Crackpot Rumor?

    in Pale Hose Talk

    Posted

    9 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

    I'll notice a lot of guys get extended and none by teams that just acquired them in a trade . They always have a choice that's why it's called FREE agency. Free to seek the best offer from the team they prefer. SInce you didn't give me an example that I asked for it's not just the Sox who can't bend players to their will.

    I think it's more coming to terms with the fact that the White Sox will never have and keep top talent. Kiss Moncada goodbye.

    Sox In on Lindor? Crackpot Rumor?

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    1 hour ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

    Age:

    Anderson - 26

    Lindor - 26

    2019:

    Anderson - 3.5 fWAR - 4.05 WAR/600

    Lindor - 4.4 fWAR - 4.03 WAR/600

    Contract:

    Anderson - 5 years/47.25 million

    Lindor - 2 year/40 million (estimate)

    Surplus:

    Anderson - 87.75 Million

    Lindor - 50 million

     

    Lindor is really good, but I'll go ahead and hang onto Anderson and not trade him ++ other high end pieces for 2 years of Lindor.

    I can't believe how many people think TA's 2019 (.399 babip) won't wind up being an outlier. He's got a career 98 OPS+ (vs Lindor's 118) and will come back down to Earth.

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    Sox In on Lindor? Crackpot Rumor?

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    2 hours ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

    Maybe one exists out there but could you please find me an example where a team that traded for a superstar free agent to be for a short period of time such as 2 years or less convinced him to sign an extension ?

    I feel like extension talk comes up on trading for every superstar like Lindor or Betts and goes on and on without ever being a real possibility.

    I understand this is a fantasy type trade that will never happen and it's fun to discuss the possibilities but once the trade is done in your mind perhaps the rest of the fantasy should be grounded in reality.

    You'll notice Mike Trout was extended (albeit no trade was involved, but he didn't test the market). It's about throwing the dollars on the table and giving them no choice. The Sox would never do that, of course.

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    Sox In on Lindor? Crackpot Rumor?

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    3 minutes ago, soxfan2014 said:

    Long term, it's not a good move. He would be here 2 years and you're giving a significant piece (or two or three) plus other pieces to your rival.

    Counter point: he's a top 10 player in baseball and is 26 years old and the White Sox could completely redefine their franchise by giving him an amazing extension and revitalize a saddened fanbase and go on to win 3 of the next 7 World Series.

    But fuck it. Money.

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