SoxHawk1980

Not all of us, just some of us.

But why haven't they been tough since the ASB? And when are they going to start being tough? And will it be too late when that happens. I'm looking at these team's performances and their complete lack of fire and intensity and that doesn't leave me optimistic.

Things are getting ugly in this thread. I think the cheerleaders and the pessimists need to just agree to disagree...and at least stop the sniping.

Ozuna as graceful as ever in LF.

No, Ozzie is magic and he can turn everything around at any time!

I looked at his game log and he was reliable for July and into the very beginning of August. That's not two months. A little over a month of good pitching does not a good pitcher make. I'm not giving up on Garland. I'm looking at his major league career and seeing that he really is about a 4.70 ERA kind of pitcher. That makes for a not particularly good #4 starter.

I hope people will stop saying that Garland is our only good starting pitcher. I might be willing to consider that once his ERA gets under 4.50. It is over 5 now. He's not very good. He's certainly not reliable. I'd be happy to bet anyone that he will never see 4.50 this year. And please don't waste my time with by arguing his wins-and-losses. If you give any AAA pitcher the kind of run support Garland has gotten, he can win you this many games. Garland's ERA, WHIP, etc. tell you how bad he's been this season. Do we have a good, reliable starting pitcher this year?

At least the BoSox lost.

Ozzieball 2006: Enjoy the ineptitude!

I'm sure his confidence is shot now.

Minnesota leads Detroit 4-2 in the 9th.

Who doesn't love cheerleaders?

And I gave it back to you.

Fear? You can count on it.

This from someone who said that the people posting negative things about the Sox want them to lose.

Do you think for a second than any of the fans saying bad things about this team actually don't want them to win? If you do, then you are lost in your own anger at anyone who dares to say anything negative. We all want the Sox to win. We don't just close our eyes and cheerlead.

Right back at ya, friend.

What you need is irrelevant. This board is for talking about the Sox. When so many of us see bad things and predict more bad things for the Sox, we're going to call it like we see it. This place would be exceptionally boring if the posts were all, "Go Sox Go!" "We're Great!" "The Sox are going to win it all!" Cheerleading is for 16 year old girls. So saying that this team has a lot of serious problems and that I don't think they'll make it to the playoffs is "jumping off the wagon"? I've been a Sox fan all of my life and that's never going to stop. But I'm not going to close my eyes and pretend everything is fine. I prefer to be a realistic fan, and not a blind homer.

The criticism of this team is well earned. I don't know how any fan can be optimistic about the rest of this season given how this team has played and how it has been managed. We all WANT the Sox to get to the playoffs. But if you follow the team and actually watch the games, I don't see how one can actually think it is going to happen.

It will stop as soon as this team stops playing horrible baseball, shows no fire, has horrible pitching with an inept manager.

And I've been using...

Scott Podsednik has the makings of a pretty mediocre 4th OFer.

It will be interesting to see how far Ozzie lets Garcia go when he's giving up runs in almost every inning and is routinely getting hit hard. I'm guessing 6.1 ip (leaves with bases loaded).

Can I still call Uribe "Urine"?

Podsednik is a freaking idiot.