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I agree with you there. I find it funny how some on this board rip on, as you call them, Pathetica, but treat KISS as if they are still some kind of "all for the fans" rock band. KISS are the ultimate sellouts. Not to mention, their pathetic attempts to get more money from their loyal fans always reaches new lows. Additionally, the hundreds, maybe thousands, of lawsuits where KISS sued one or more of their fans civilly for any of a number of really petty violations of certain corporate laws. And last but not least, KISS was really never that good. :fyou KISS Name me one band that is not a sell out! If any band was not in it for the money, they would never sign a record deal in the 1st place. That was the goal from the very beginning with KISS. They invented the "sellout". They were the 1st to do the comic books, action figures, trading cards, pinball machines, etc. Then they took it 1000-fold. KISS to me has always been about the fun. If your looking for something political or more serious, go check out U2, not KISS. Actually, I was busting the balls of a friend of mine who posts on these boards. He knows who he is. And he would have seen the humor in it. Glad someone else took it so seriously..... Uh..yeah...so was I....

I agree with you there. I find it funny how some on this board rip on, as you call them, Pathetica, but treat KISS as if they are still some kind of "all for the fans" rock band. KISS are the ultimate sellouts. Not to mention, their pathetic attempts to get more money from their loyal fans always reaches new lows. Additionally, the hundreds, maybe thousands, of lawsuits where KISS sued one or more of their fans civilly for any of a number of really petty violations of certain corporate laws. And last but not least, KISS was really never that good. :fyou KISS Name me one band that is not a sell out! If any band was not in it for the money, they would never sign a record deal in the 1st place. That was the goal from the very beginning with KISS. They invented the "sellout". They were the 1st to do the comic books, action figures, trading cards, pinball machines, etc. Then they took it 1000-fold. KISS to me has always been about the fun. If your looking for something political or more serious, go check out U2, not KISS.

They grossed $62.7 million on touring alone in 2000. I don't see a whole lot of "80's hair bands" doing that. Speaking of Aerosmith...they are doing a co-headlining tour with KISS this summer...something like 40 dates.

Tommy Thayer in place of Ace is weak, even though he is a much better guitar player at this point. Peter Criss was back behind the drums...for these Australia shows anyway. I can understand why Simmons and Stanley have resorted to the "classless move" of replacing them. Peter & Ace both wanted out of KISS in the late 70's/early 80's. They gave up their rights to their makeup designs & no were no longer a part of the KISS Corp. They were both f*** ups who cared more about getting f***ed up than their careers. So after about 15 years of being washed up, out of work hacks, Gene & Paul gave them both big pay days with the Reunion/Psycho Circus/Neverending Farewell Tours. Half way through the Farewell tour, Peter Criss decided that he had leverage enough to hold KISS hostage & demand more money. f*** him! He's lucky to not be bussing tables somewhere. Now Ace tried the same s*** before these Austalian shows. If they wanted their full pieces of the KISS pie, they should have been putting in the work Simmons & Stanley have over the "thin" non-makeup years. KISS is Paul Stanley & Gene Simmons. I like the line up much better with Ace Frehley & Peter Criss in it, but if they are not able to carry their weight & are expecting to be welcomed back in the band as "equals" they can tell their stories walking.

Wish I could have been there.

LMFAO!

You're exactly right zach. I tried telling BF that about 60 posts back in this thread. His lack of Classic Rock knowledge was exposed long ago by his failure to identify the vocal. He's got his head buried so far up his ass & wonders why the sun won't shine.

I think anybody that wore their hair long, put on a lot of make up, and could scream loudly could have made it as a hard rocker during that time period...KISS and Twisted Sister are prime examples KISS started in the early 70's...TS in the 80's & I don't see Twisted Sister selling out arenas in the 2000's. You are comparing ice cream to horse s***.

All kinds...as long as it falls within (a wide) category of 'good'. Seriously from classical music to modern classical music to boadway musicals and classical jazz to blues, R&B, rock, pop rap, experiemntal, folk, native. AS LONG AS IT'S GOOD and ORIGINAL and INSPIRING. And KISS ain't it. Oh, really?

How can one NOT know such an intricate masterpiece as "Rock-n''Roll All Night" when it's sung by a capella of drunk, no-voice morons...You;re killin' me here. What utopian world are YOU living in, pal? Oh, that's right- the one where KISS is the 3rd highest selling band, that one. You're a riot. 1) Gene Simmons has never been drunk or high in his life. 2) Paul Stanley sings lead on more songs than Simmons does. 3) If popularity and sales mean so little to you, why do you use "Rock and Roll All Nite", (KISS' most commercially succesfull & best known song) as your example of a KISS song. 4) Your ass has to be damn near empty by now.

There not actually married...just living together in an "open relationship" for 19 years.

If you don't know KISS just say it, instead of talking s*** out of your f***in' ass.

Julia Roberts is an Oscar-winning/20-mill-a-pic actress and yet she is WOEFULLY incapable in the acting department. Horsey McFace isn't even that good looking for that matter. There goes the "money" arguement. I am more of a pre-MD CZJ/Thandie Newton/Michelle Pfeiffer circa Batman 2 kinda guy, but to each his own. No s***...what's your point, Eminemboy? Gene's hit that Michelle Pfeiffer s*** too...here's a pic of here & Linda Blair in his bedroom.

Ooooooh, we got a rebel on our hands...How about Limp Dickskit? Considering that none of KISS "musicians" can play instruments or sing and the lead singer is one of the most loathsome f***ers in the Western hemisphere...way to go in other words. They make AC/DC look like rock Beatles and Brian Johnson sound like Mario Lanza. kiss S.U.C.K.S., ah'it? ETA: Come to think of it, Eminem IS a semi-decent mainstream s***-kicker/angry clown; also his beats are generally innovative for all it's worth, at least compared to Puffmeister and Ja Rule and other "rappers". He ENTERTAINS me, that's for damn sure. Doesn't really matter what you think does it? KISS is the 3rd ranking band all time in albums sold, behind only the Beatles & Stones.

If it's Rush from Canada we're talking about, then they are OK. Certainly not "s***ty". So who do you consider "not s***ty"? Eminem? Enrique Iglesias? Foo Fighters maybe? You're hilarious.

Not a real big Rush fan. The only thing I can think of that goofey bastard Geddy Lee screaming is "SAAAAAAALESMEN!!!!!!"

Thanks dude!

It was Roger Daultry of The Who...screaming, "YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!" from "Won't Get Fooled Again".