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April 14, 2017 – The White Sox started an all-Garcia outfield at Minnesota, marking the first time in Major League history a team's three starting outfielders all had the same last name.
All three collected hits, including Willy Garcia, who doubled in his first big league at-bat in the second. He played left field with Leury Garcia in center and Avisail Garcia in right. Leury had a hit and Avisail had a pair in the game.
The Alou brothers all played in the outfield for San Francisco in 1963 a few times but all three never actually started the game. The Sox would win the contest 2-1.
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2 hours ago, caulfield12 said:
"I've known Jerry for a year and a half," Grifol said to Daryl Van Schouwen of the Chicago Sun-Times. "Nobody wants to win more than he does. I know that for a fact because I'm the one who gets phone calls, and I talk to him. I get text messages. He is 100% committed to winning. And he is extremely knowledgeable about the game of baseball."
Given how he has run this franchise into the ground if he was as smart as he thinks he is, JR would absolutely stay in the owners box, sign the checks and literally have nothing at all to do with ANY baseball on-field decisions.
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5 minutes ago, greg775 said:
Do the Cubs still sell out every game? If they do (Sox do not) it provides some proof it's a Cubs town. Maybe a Cubs country 'cause I realize out of towners want to include a Cub game on spring/summer visits to Chicago. They do not venture to Sox Park, not only cause we stink, but the stadium is blah and true or not the neighborhood does not have the greatest reputation.
Up until the mid 80's the team that had the better record usually had the best attendance.
From 1951-1967 for example the Sox outdrew the Cubs in 16 of those 17 seasons.
This stayed the same until around the mid 80's when the Cubs (under John McDonough who grew up a Sox fan) started promoting Wrigley Field more than what the club was doing on the field. Studies showed the Cubs were getting roughly 40% of their yearly attendance from out of towners visiting and them being on Superstation WGN really helped push that along.
The Sox had opportunities to "own the town" but bad decisions by ownership as well as an inability to consistently make the playoffs short circuited that hope.
That being said, new ownership (much like the charge EE and JR put into the franchise in 81-82-83 could drastically change that dynamic.
Putting a good team on the field, promoting the club (not cancelling things like Sox fest), and making headlines by signing actual 'superstar' talent can change the perception in a hurry.
It happened before the 1971 and 1981 seasons for example.
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2 hours ago, greg775 said:
It truly did. Lipman could give us a good history lesson but back in the pre interleague day the Sox and Cubs played a charity game midseason or so alternating between the ballparks each year. It sold out with the proceeds going to charity. And it was amazing. Sox and Cub fights throughout the city. It was special seeing the Sox uniform go against the Cubbie uniform. The teams would give their starters 2 at bats before putting in the stiffs. The only thing weird was the teams usually started their best minor league prospect then put in some pitchers who needed work. All in all it was special.
Interleague has ruined it of course. Just another series. Unlike the Brewer series where I knew we'd get swept I think the Sox 'might' take one or even both games. Wrigley might awaken the bats. At this point you almost hope the Sox drop 16, 17 in a row just for the continued embarrassment factor. How can Jerry show his face in town? Maybe he just tells his friends it's all part of the latest tank plan. Peace out and remember when u go to the betting booth, "Sox might win a game or two vs. the Cubs."
Ask and ye shall receive:
April 29, 1985 - A new yearly tradition was established in the first annual "Crosstown Classic" charity game matching the Sox and Cubs.
Down through the years both teams played each other on and off in spring training or during an open date in the regular season. From the late 40’s through the early 70’s, the “Boys Benefit Game” was played helping raise funds for youth baseball. There was also a post season “City Series” that was eventually stopped by request of Major League Baseball. They felt it was taking away interest from the World Series. This was the first time though both teams agreed to play on a yearly basis with a corporate sponsor (Busch Beer).
The game alternated between Comiskey Park and Wrigley Field and was played every year through 1995. Because of the labor impasse the teams played two games that season.
The Sox won the opener at Comiskey Park 7-4 but it was only the start of a remarkable run. The two teams played a total of 12 games and the Sox never lost one. They’d go 10-0-2 during that time period.
After 1995, the series was dropped. It was never publicly explained why, but reports persisted that the cancellation of the series was at the Cubs request. Plus, interleague play was on the horizon and it may have been felt that the game was now meaningless
June 16, 1997 - After numerous charity and exhibition games, the Sox and Cubs played for real for the first time in the regular season when they met at the new Comiskey Park. Since then, the two teams have played each other every season multiple times. After playing each other four times in 2022 the Sox had a 73-65 advantage in the regular season meetings.
June 25, 1964 - An overflow crowd of over 52 thousand jammed Comiskey Park to watch the Sox hammer the Cubs 11-1 in the annual “Boys Benefit Game.” The Sox, who were the visiting team that night, hit four home runs including back-to-back-to-back shots in the third inning. The home runs were hit by Ron Hansen, Tommy McCraw and Jerry McNertney. Floyd Robinson also had a home run.
What was significant however was the fact that fans were allowed on the outfield grass behind ropes, since there wasn’t any room left in the park. It was the last time fans have ever been permitted to stand on the playing field for a game.
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14 minutes ago, nrockway said:
Cubs games are/were free over the air on WGN, right? That seemed to be a good business decision.
The thing I constantly wonder about regarding sports on television is that I haven't had cable or paid for a sports streaming service in probably a decade. Why would I pay for something when the pirated version is just as good? It's a free alternative to an expensive service and the quality is the same. The barrier of entry to understand how to watch these games is also low, even my aged father has figured it out. The leagues could have probably shut this down, but they've done nothing about it.
Why not? Some survey was done by a sportsbook a few months ago noting that 35% of respondents pirate NFL games, slightly less than those that use an online streaming service and far more than those who watched on cable. You might assume a similar rate for the NBA, then you see how massive their new TV deal is going to be. What I don't understand is that it seems to me that the money doesn't actually come from people watching the games on cable. One might assume you still look at the same amount of advertisements, but you're watching the League Pass experience so you're not seeing any ads. Will they ever crack down on illegal streams? I doubt it.
Just a few thoughts I've read recently where Manfred is working to change/update the "blackout" rules which could make things easier for fans. That could start to make them more conscious of those pirating games.
And of course the Bally situation still hasn't been resolved.
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10 minutes ago, greg775 said:
I really think Ricky Renteria was somewhat special (I'd rate his work as a very solid B). His only problem was his work in that playoff series. Questionable decisions, etc. The playoffs are a crapshoot. There was no reason to axe him after a playoff appearance IMO.
Valid point. One of the reasons I was told he was let go was because he wasn't doing what Hahn wanted him to do and he got tired of it.
What exactly that was or what areas Hahn wanted him to change I don't know.
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He's getting a lot of publicity, I'll say that for him at least:
https://awfulannouncing.com/mlb/white-sox-john-schriffen-tommy-pham-william-contreras.html
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20 minutes ago, Texsox said:
Isn't that true of basically every manager and GM? Coming here is career suicide.
Someone brought this up in the past, my response was it all depends on how far back you want to go.
Roland Hemond for one example, let go by EE/JR in November 1985, wound up winning another Executive of the Year award with the Orioles.
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30 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:
Weren't you the one who kept telling us Kenny was retiring anyway?
I was told Kenny had supposedly told JR when his contract was up he was retiring that is correct.
As far as if he actually has done that I have no idea, I don't think I've seen or heard anything from him since a day or so after he was fired.
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Williams and Hahn to my knowledge haven't even been sniffed at by any other MLB team since they got fired. Neither will Grifol.
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4 minutes ago, Paulie4Pres said:
Yes. Exactly. Don't like, be better. Or win. Just be tough guy losers who act tough while being embarrassed. What a fucking joke of a post. Grow up Boomer.
Exactly correct. You don't like opponents rubbing it in your face. Win more fucking games.
By the way the franchise record is 13 straight losses August 9-26, 1924. Lost two to Washington at home, Lost four at Boston, three at New York, three at Washington and a game at Philadelphia.
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5 minutes ago, TaylorStSox said:
There's absolutely no way you have any friends in the organization.
If I don't that is news to me since they have always treated me very well and gone out of their way to help given the work that I've done for them especially from a historical standpoint. Ask your sources for example about the 12-CD set I put together with audio game highlights, radio spots, player interviews et al going back to 1953 from my library with specific scripts for each one.
It took a few years working on and off but the Sox have very little of their history and I do. I felt it was important that they had copies of this material.
I've done a lot for them and they have reciprocated in kind.
Let's put it this way, the rare times I've been back to Chicago they have always joined me watching a game usually from up in the radio/TV area as well as taking me through the locker rooms, letting me down on the field during pregame and showing me the scoreboard opearations area.
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10 minutes ago, Texsox said:
Which isn't a bad thing. In fact, I think it's a great thing.
I'm assuming you would do what I would do if Tony recommended someone, immediately remove them from my list of candidates. Having a say isn't necessarily bad, it's what anyone does with that information that is potentially bad.
You know though how highly JR still feels about TLR and his opinions and ultimately JR has final say on the managerial hire.
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51 minutes ago, Timmy U said:
This was inevitable from April of 2023. I guess they could have done better on scrap heap additions like Milwaukee did, but the overall talent in the org was so bad that once the rebuild failed, there was nothing. I think next year is going to be just as bad. Maybe Getz is terrible, but short of naming Angels in the Outfield as the new GM, they were gonna suck. This level of suckitude was achieved with the help of injuries and Getz’s curious decision to keep the worst manager of my lifetime. Maybe he gets a F for that, but there was only so good the roster was ever gonna get.
I was in touch with a member of the front office yesterday and they had an interesting comment.
They said that the injuries to Jimenez, Moncada and Robert forced the other guys on the team to have to do things they simply weren't capable of doing.
I didn't want to press the situation or kick them when they are down since they are a friend but I wanted to tell them that the three injured guys were totally unreliable to begin with given the health history and the fact that Getz brought in players that were barely acceptable talent-wise at the MLB level was a recipe for disaster.
In other words the Sox should have seen this coming (and I'm guessing they probably did but JR was OK with the situation)
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12 hours ago, hankchifan said:
The Sox players and coaches, front office and ownership should feel pretty embarrassed by their performance so far. Don’t they have any pride in their work and professionalism? The sad part is that they are not making any changes for the better. It is inexplicable that Grifol is still the manager. He is pretty clueless with horrible results. I read on a Tribune article that there is some sort of bromance between Grifol and JR. Need a change now, it can’t be worse that what we have now. They owe it to the fans. IMO.
I know of individuals, friends of mine from the organization that aren't happy with the state of the franchise but frankly they are in no position to really do anything about it.
JR controls things and literally has input in every single area on the baseball side of things, both on-field and off the field.
From what I've been told he's not thrilled at the way things have been going but that is mitigated by the fact that with all the domestic and international monetary opportunities both locally and from a league standpoint, he's making money and he still feels his operational philosophy is the "right" way to conduct business.
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6 hours ago, Texsox said:
How many times have we fallen for that same play? Anybody would be better than TLR.
This from Paul Sullivan's column today, TLR will have a say in the next Sox manager:
Manager Pedro Grifol might make it through the rest of the season in spite of the White Sox’s pitiful record because no one can fix this team. But Chairman Jerry Reinsdorf eventually will be forced to make a change, if only to persuade Sox fans to come back to the ballpark.
Miami Marlins manager Skip Schumaker, who was mentored by former Sox manager and current adviser Tony La Russa, is someone to keep an eye on. Schumaker’s 2025 option was voided over the winter at his request, according to the Miami Herald, making him a free agent after this season.
Schumaker took the Marlins to the postseason in 2023 and was named National League Manager of the Year. But they forced out general manager Kim Ng and didn’t add much in the offseason before starting off slow and dealing star infielder Luis Arráez to the San Diego Padres last month to start the inevitable sell-off.
Like free-agent manager Craig Counsell last November, Schumaker will be highly coveted. And to paraphrase an infamous remark Reinsdorf uttered to sports writer Toni Ginnetti after the “White Flag Trade” of 1997, anyone who thinks La Russa won’t have a big say in choosing the next Sox manager is crazy.
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5 hours ago, soxfan49 said:
That new ownership you refer to might be his stupid child who's fucking everything up with the Bulls. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree
Based on everything I've been told including (rare) statements from JR himself when he has spoken about it publicly, his message to the family has been when he is gone, "Keep the Bulls, sell the Sox."
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2 hours ago, WhiteSox2023 said:
The stink has never left. It still permeates the entire organization. Getz is still a part of the problem. He had a terrible offseason and made some really dumb trades of young talent, which is exactly what the Sox should be hoarding, not trading away. This veteran leadership and defense idea that Getz had has been an absolute bust. How can anyone have faith in this guy as a GM when he thought players like DeJong, Lopez, and Maldonado were worth acquiring, paying $10.5 million combined for this year, and using as starters rather than bench players?!? These are guys that should have been signed to minor league deals due to how absolutely awful they were last year. I guess Getz enjoys giving players like Maldonado a nice final paycheck when he should’ve retired a year ago.
It’s not going to happen, but Getz should be shown the door along with Grifol, but it’s pretty obvious that JR is going to fire Grifol at the end of the season and make him the fall guy, just like he did with Hahn and Kenny at the end of last season.
It’s the same ol’ Sox. Nothing changes until JR is gone.
Well said and for those who are wondering, I asked a friend of mine who covers the Sox for a mainstream media newspaper if JR actually still goes to games and is seen at the ballpark.
They said he is still going to games.
I hope he likes what he is seeing! 😆
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Just now, fathom said:
It’s honestly so insulting that Grifol hasn’t been fired yet. More passionate fan bases would be rioting if their owner let the team just go to crap like Reinsdorf has.
I think overall Sox fans are angry, upset and frustrated but they realize JR is not going to change a damn thing at his age plus the fact that he's still making money.
There's nothing they can do until new ownership arrives but many of them are simply not caring at this time which is dangerous.
Angry, upset, frustrated fans still care...those that don't care anymore are apathetic and no guarantees they return when new ownership arrives.
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19 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:
The Sox currently have zero offense and have zero guaranteed stud MLB position players/hitters in the minors.
And current ownership refuses to pay top dollar for the best hitters that come on the market every year.
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He get hurt again in a few weeks.