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  1. I'm not saying Cease was perfect. He was too wild. But again he's young. Plus, don't a lot of 4th starters do the same thing and are the same way? We shouldn't be happy with a 4th starter having a 4.01 ERA? For that we should think about junking him? I even heard one foolish comment on here that with him in the rotation we're going to miss Mat Latos!! But we're supposed to give Vaughn a blind chance?
  2. Plus, I've read on here on another post that someone said Cease was "horrible" last year. No. He wasn't. His last two starts of the year were horrible and that caused Renteria to lose confidence in him for the playoffs. But those last two starts only brought his ERA to 4.01. Before that it was 3.20. Which is just fine for a young pitcher pitching his first full season, (well, it would have been,) in the majors and for your 4th starter. For all the people arguing to give Vaughn a chance as a reason not to sign Cruz, why aren't you allowing Cease the same opportunity? He's at least proven he is capable of getting major league hitters out, yet people want to junk him. Vaughn has proven absolutely, positively NOTHING at the major league level, and people are saying we don't need a guy who's hit 40 homers the last couple of years and to just give Vaughn a chance.
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    Happy PECOTA Day!

    Huge grain of salt is a very nice way of saying. A more directly way is, it is @#$%^&* worthless.
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    The 1972 non-move to the AL East

    Yeah, good point, that continued to cement it. Maybe a better way to put it was 1969 was when it began. You have to admit, the White Sox leaving WGN all to the Cubs certainly started it.
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    The 1972 non-move to the AL East

    This problem actually stemmed back a bit further. It started when the two divisional realignment went into a effect in 1969. The White Sox wanted to be in the East with New York, Boston, Cleveland, Detroit. But instead they were placed in the West with a couple of relocated franchises, Oakland who had been in KC and Minnesota who was the original Washington Senators, and two expansion teams, Kansas City and the Seattle Pilots, before they became the Brewers. So all their original rivals were gone, and with Oakland, Seattle and the California Angels, they now would have a ton of late night West coast games, on a weak television network as they stupidly decided to leave WGN all to the Cubs. Didn't help either that the White Sox at this time had a poor club where as the Cubs then had a good exciting club. These were the reasons and how Chicago became a Cubs town. This era and for these reasons.
  6. What do you guys think? Personally, I'm disappointed we didn't put more of an effort to sign Cruz. Yeah, he's old, but he hasn't lost his bat speed. And it wouldn't be a long term deal. With him here, we could allow Vaughn to get his feet wet with say 150-200 at bats. Now we are expecting Vaughn to have 500+ at bats and he has to produce. Because there is no "playing for the future" anymore. Finishing second to Minnesota this year will not only be a disappointment it will be a failure. We can't make the "he needs time to develop at the major league level" excuse for him. He needs to produce now. If anyone says he might not be ready to, then that means we should have signed a veteran bat. And maybe he will. He's just untested. What does everyone else think?
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    Did We Go Cheap Not Signing Another Bat?

    You could be right about the steroid police with Cruz.....but the difference I do see between him and EE is EE really appeared to have lost his bat speed. Cruz hasn't. If he hasn't because of steroids......time will answer that question. I hope I'm underestimating Vaughn. What makes me more skeptical is the very fact the only thing we are going off of is that alternate site you mentioned. That truly was nothing more than a simulation no matter how we look at it, and no matter how competitive they tried to make it, it cannot be the same thing as playing an actual game with actual live pitchers trying to get you out in real live game situations. Have to agree to disagree with Collins. Like I said, I'm not impressed with his drawing walks in the minors, which impressed the sabergeeks. You're right in your thinking that knowledge of the strike zone is very important and your comparison to Thomas having that is true. But of course you would agree that Thomas had more than that. What's important is can Collins HIT major league pitching and he hasn't proven that at all, where as Thomas did right away. I would love to be wrong and for you to throw that one back in my face some day on here. And I know Cruz is 41. I never said I'd want to sign him long term.
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    Did We Go Cheap Not Signing Another Bat?

    I certainly hope you're right. But we have nothing to go off of. Vaughn has never faced major league pitching. If Cruz were here, we could have worked him along slower. Now he doesn't have that luxury. He has to produce now. We can't have the "well, it's his rookie year, he needs time to adjust" scenario. I agree, I like this team too. And it's why I feel this way. I really felt that we had our foot on Minnesota's throat and if we could have signed Cruz and taken him away from them as well, we would have stomped our foot on their throats even harder. Now I feel like we let them off the hook by taking a "this'll be good enough" attitude. And because I like this team, I definitely feel that nothing short of winning the division is acceptable. If Minnesota wins the division and Cruz has another monster year to contribute to it, we should all be very angry. Don't really care about having that "money is reserve" if it doesn't help us win.
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    Did We Go Cheap Not Signing Another Bat?

    A bit surprised you didn't respond when I responded to your quote. I fully appreciate your optimism, and I thought we were starting a pretty good baseball conversation and I really want your opinion. Two simple questions. Is our lineup better this year with Cruz in it or with Vaughn in it everyday? And is Minnesota's lineup right now better than ours?
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    Did We Go Cheap Not Signing Another Bat?

    You're right about just about all you said. Except the line you said that we shouldn't be upset that "we didn't go after some other teams garbage." Nelson Cruz isn't garbage. That was my argument of what they should have gone after to be stronger for THIS year.
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    Did We Go Cheap Not Signing Another Bat?

    I agree with nearly all that you said. My one objection, is what made me start this. Should we have signed Cruz and then give Vaughn 150-200 At bats? That's still giving Vaughn a chance for us to see what he can do. But with less pressure. Now he has to produce. What you are saying about Cruz being a cheater.....that's more personal and I see your point. But what I really care about is the White Sox winning. And it comes down then to a couple of very simple questions. Is our lineup better this year with Cruz in it or with Vaughn in it everyday? If Vaughn can produce exactly as much as Cruz, then I'm OK with it. And second, and probably more importantly, is Minnesota's lineup right now better than ours? If anyone answers yes, then it has to be at least partly because of Cruz being in it, and that makes my point for me. And the other part I disagree with you on is Collins. We've seen what he can do and I truly think nothing of him. The sabergeeks like him because he could draw the occasional walk in the minors, but he hasn't shown he can hit major league pitching enough to warrant playing every day.
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    Did We Go Cheap Not Signing Another Bat?

    I agree with nearly all that you said. My one objection, is what made me start this. Should we have signed Cruz and then give Vaughn 150-200 At bats? That's still giving Vaughn a chance for us to see what he can do. But with less pressure. Now he has to produce. What you are saying about Cruz being a cheater.....that's more personal and I see your point. But what I really care about is the White Sox winning. And it comes down then to a couple of very simple questions. Is our lineup better this year with Cruz in it or with Vaughn in it everyday? If Vaughn can produce exactly as much as Cruz, then I'm OK with it. And second, and probably more importantly, is Minnesota's lineup right now better than ours? If anyone answers yes, then it has to be at least partly because of Cruz being in it, and that makes my point for me. And the other part I disagree with you on is Collins. We've seen what he can do and I truly think nothing of him. The sabergeeks like him because he could draw the occasional walk in the minors, but he hasn't shown he can hit major league pitching enough to warrant playing every day.
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    Did We Go Cheap Not Signing Another Bat?

    I think that's the perfect way to describe it. Couldn't have put that better myself.
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    Did We Go Cheap Not Signing Another Bat?

    I already expressed my unhappiness about that in a different post because they resigned that piece of $%^% Rodon. Renteria gets fired because of the way he handled the pitching staff the last week of the season and the playoff series, and part of that was because he used that guy. And now we resign him to give him the ball every 5 days? So maybe the full question is, did management do EVERYTHING and I mean EVERYTHING to win this year? Because like I said. Finishing second to Minnesota will be completely and utterly unacceptable.
  15. Of course I "know" that. But that makes it OK to resign that waste of space? All 5th starters are poor so make sure we fill that void with as poor of one as possible? Is that your point? But I guess we can still hit. So on days that major league imposter takes the mound we can hope to win 11-9.
  16. Then let's hope for a rainy spring. A rainout every 5 days through April and May.
  17. Why is Kopech out of the picture? After being touted as a future ace a couple of years ago, to then having Tj surgery and then opting out last year because of COVID, has he really fallen so far now as he can't get beat out a worthless piece of dog %^&$ like Rodon for the 5th spot?
  18. I think he is. You thinking he won't be?
  19. Rodon is going to start for us next year????? He better not be!! If he is, I'm thinking twice about how good our rotation is! Giolito, Keuchel, Lynn, Cease and the 5th spot really should have to go to Kopech, shouldn't it? Rodon is a piece of worthless garbage.
  20. I was indifferent to this move until Colome signed with Minnesota. Now I hate this move. Should have used this money to resign Colome and let Rodon walk. Now Colome goes to Minnesota to help them, and we use the money we could have used to sign Colome to now resign Rodon. Not a good tradeoff.
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    Help Me Understand fWAR

    I loved those 1975 uniforms too!! One of the reasons I became a White Sox fan!! And good old WSNS!! And maybe you're right, with the information available today, maybe it would be different?
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    Help Me Understand fWAR

    Good point and well put. Thanks.
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    Help Me Understand fWAR

    I'm an old school baseball fan too. Been following the White Sox since 1975. (Hence my name on this thread.) But I tried to keep an open mind and wanted to learn and look at more statistics like WAR. Just for the fun of it. Then I saw that our very own South Side Hitmen first baseman Jim Spencer had a WAR of -.03 in 1977. So one of the best defensive first basemen of this era and a solid power hitter was worse than a replacement player? And what made it even worse was his defensive rating was -.08?? What?? He saved Alan Bannister countless errors that year!! But a replacement player would be better than him? Had me and you lost me there. And please. I don't want any "Sabergeeks" getting on here and responding why this should be. It shouldn't. Pure and simple. If someone wants to talk baseball, I'd love to talk about that. But I don't want to talk any "Sabergeekness."
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    '21 rules discussions

    Yeah, OK good point. But how could you measure the lead off distance? A guess a marker on the field could work. But the biggest problem with that, is it makes it more difficult for the baserunner to steal if he wants to. And therefore, you're penalizing the baserunner for what the pitcher did. Having the pitcher maybe step back from the rubber to do so makes more sense, but then what would make him just keep doing that once he reaches his limit? Because then by bending the rule, he's still able to throw over as much as he wants. Just doing it a bit differently, so it would defeat the purpose.
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