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2 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:
Good inning for Clevinger only 12 pitches. I wonder if they put him out there for the 7th with the 8 and 9 hitters coming up.
I think he goes until either 100ish pitches or he allows two men on.
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4 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said:
78 wins may win this division. 63-56 needed rest of the way including tonight.
M = May; J = June; Y = July; A = August; S = September; O = October 1st.
Games Remaining:
- Arizona Diamondbacks (3 Home S)
- Atlanta Baseball Team (3 Away Y)
- Baltimore Orioles (3 Away A)
- Boston Red Sox (3 Home J, 3 Away S)
- Chicago Cubs (2 Home Y, 2 Away A)
- Cleveland Guardians (6 Home M (2) Y (4), 6 Away M A)
- Colorado Rockies (3 Away A)
- Detroit Tigers (6 Home J S, 7 Away M (4) S (3))
- Kansas City Royals (6 Home M S, 3 Away S)
- Los Angeles Angels (3 Home M, 4 Away J)
- Los Angeles Dodgers (3 Away J)
- Miami Marlins (3 Home J)
- Milwaukee Brewers (3 Home A)
- Minnesota Twins (4 Home S, 3 Away Y)
- New York Mets (3 Away Y)
- New York Yankees (3 Home A, 3 Away J)
- Oakland Athletics (4 Home A, 3 Away J (1) Y (2))
- Saint Louis Cardinals (3 Home Y)
- San Diego Padres (3 Home S/O)
- Seattle Mariners (3 Home A, 3 Away J)
- Texas Rangers (3 Home J, 3 Away A)
- Toronto Blue Jays (3 Home Y)
- Washington Nationals (3 Away S)
Can you imagine the grief the winner would get for winning the division with 78 wins!?
I mean, I’d take it….but how embarrassing
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33 minutes ago, ScootsMcGoots said:
Where the hell has this energy been all year?
Cleveland talked s%*# about the Sox after they clinched last season.
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16 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:
Sox 2-15 then 3-15 after Anderson went out of the lineup until he returned from the IL against the Twins that Monday in early May, some crazy stat like that...right now, something like 4 victories all season without him playing over 25% of the way through the season.
This is more an indication of our woeful depth than anything else, imo. Last few years when Tim goes down, we're stuck replacing him with Leury, Lenyn, or Romy. None of those guys can hit. Our best shot to win games was when we had Mendick around to spell TA7, and Mendick was nothing special himself.
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Build around? No, but there aren't many guys in baseball who you would "build around". Luis Robert hasn't even yet proven to be a guy to build around.
He's a very solid, core piece who is young, controllable, and knows how to drive in runs. Could you trade him? Sure. Would I trade him? No. I don't think he should be traded even in the case of a full rebuild. He seems like the kind of guy who, just by example, would be a solid vet on a rebuilding team.
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TA has changed, without a doubt. Spring training he gave an interview to Our Chuck and literally got onto him for questioning the players' efforts. I mean, dude, look at your record...I would say most media took it easy on y'all and flamed TLR more.
Then his stupid documentary, which hearing him talk, clearly went to his head. The baby mama drama. The injuries. The cryptic tweets. His inability to hit with RISP.
Whatever. I loved him as a player for years but if he doesn't care, I don't care.
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They definitely saw something.
Meh, whatever...it happens. We've done it, too.
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Garrett must be a Sox fan.
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Pedro can’t win. No off days for a week, ace on the mound, had to give him some rope.
And yes, im aware he pitched guys yesterday who he didn’t need to pitch. There again, though, those guys needed some game action after long layoffs.
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‘member when Bummer was the heir apparent closer? Yeah.
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Really seemed he was just starting to get into a rhythm again after coming back looking awful from his last IL stint. I do hope he takes a rehab assignment this time around.
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Fucking ReyLo
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5 hours ago, The Kids Can Play said:
That was a great walk off win and good to finally win 2 in a row for the first time this season.
Not be negative and rain on this game, but I got a bone to pick with Grifol. He is still making stupid managerial mistakes that eventually will cost the Sox games.
1. In the top of the 6th inning when Kopech gave up the first hit to Buxton, Steve Stone immediately said, this would be a great time for maybe Grandal to make a mound visit to settle Michael down. Steve added, it didn't have to be Katz and to just send Grandal out to settle him down. You could clearly see Kopech was visibly bothered. Neither Grandal or Katz went to the mound. Next up was Polanco. Since Kopech wasn't in the right mindset because of no Katz or Grandal mound visit, Michael threw 4 straight balls and walked Polanco. Now there are runners on 1st and 2nd with only one out. Ok now Pedro wakes up and sends Katz out to the mound to talk to Michael.
2. In the top of the 9th inning after Vaughn walked and Hamilton came in to pitch run and then stole second, Eloy had a hard ground ball out to the third baseman and Hamilton got to 3rd due to a dumb mental error of the third baseman not looking Hamilton back. Now with only one out and Hamilton on third, they intentionally walked Robert. At this point why in the hell didn't Pedro send Robert to steal second? With Hamilton's speed there is no way the catcher makes a throw. The Twins pulled all four infielders in and Steve Stone said to Benetti, Robert could jog to second as the Twins would obviously not throw to second with the infield in. With one out, you would much rather see our two fastest runners on 2nd and third with Haseley at the plate. The Twins strategy at that point would have changed or at least put more pressure on the pitcher.
Don't tell me it was Pedro being cautious with Robert's hammy. If Robert's hammy wasn't good enough to steal second, then he shouldn't have been in the game period. Imagine earlier in the game if Robert had to run out a tough groundball and you're telling me Robert would have only gone half or 3/4 speed?
Those were two bonehead mistakes. Where was Pedro's bench coach to help? Was he taking a nap?
With the wider bags and the one disengagement stepping off the rubber rule, stolen bases are dramatically up in the league. The Dodgers get this and lead the major with 143 stolen bases. Pedro obviously doesn't get this and we are 27th with 78. I know we have some slow guys on this team. Yet there have been several times this year where we haven't sent someone who were fast enough to steal.
The Sox can continue playing better going forward, but that will not get this team improved enough in the standings from this horrible April start, unless Pedro starts making correct situational baseball decisions.
I thought he managed the 9th well.
I didn't like bringing Colome in late and close, nor sacrificing Burger's bat for defense with Colome on the mound. Not like Hanser is much of an upgrade, anyway.
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18 minutes ago, zisk said:
four game sweep by the Ray's this weekend would be the bottom. I fully suspect it will happen.
And if that happens, the Twins are going to smell blood and could easily extend the streak another 3 games.
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1 minute ago, Sox72 said:
But really…..who does?
I refuse to believe no one in that clubhouse knows who emanates negativity and poor effort.
Seby had some strong words after today's game....something to the effect of "if things get tough, you don't roll up into a ball and hide. I don't "think" we have anyone like that in this locker room, but if we do, they need to go on and leave".
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1 minute ago, Jake said:
I've never bought into this kind of thing but I think the players who we believed to be the leaders of last year's (unsuccessful) team were Abreu, Hendriks, and Tim. All of them absent at the moment.
Tim was in Toronto for this series. Leaders don't need to play to lead.
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28 minutes ago, fathom said:
Clean it up!
FFS man. Get ANGRY. Show some EMOTION. Apologize to the fans of this train wreck. Own it.
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3 hours ago, Tony said:
Bullshit
There is nothing misleading about the Sox having an 180 million dollar payroll this year, and being 7-15, along with all the other stats that have been mentioned.
You act as if Rick Hahn has never met Jerry or has no understanding of how he operates. Yes, he isn’t able to sign a Bryce Harper. That sucks for us and Rick, and Jerry needs to go. We are all on the same page.
But to place all the blame on Jerry, and taking any of the blame off Rick is insane and asinine. We just got swept by the best team in the league, who hold a payroll of 74 million. They have been in the playoffs the last 4 years, and currently have the best record in MLB.
The decisions Rick have made has directly put the Sox in this position. It’s his job to work within the limitations the owner sets, which quite frankly isn’t near as limiting as teams like the Rays, Brewers, Guardians, etc…who have had a way better track record than the Sox the last decade.
You're confusing my words regarding Reinsdorf as a reprieve for Hahn. That couldn't be further from the truth.
That said, we don't know what guarantees were made behind closed doors. Hahn was awfully boisterous in 2019 about spending the money. He said we'd be major players on the FA market. He pitched both Machado and Harper (and Harper said it was close). Somewhere along the way, Jerry very clearly told him he'd have money to spend. Ultimately, when it came time to turn talk into action, Jerry went full Jerry and went cheap. Of course, all this doesn't even get into Hahn's legs being cut right out from under him in the middle of the rebuild when Jerry brought in TLR.
Hahn's performance has been pretty damn bad. By the same token, outside of a few incredibly impressive Houdini acts, name me a GM who has established success when they're unable to sign a contract for greater total value than $75M in the year 2023. Unless you have both a primo minor league system and scouting department, a GM must make things work via the FA or trade market. AKA..spend money. Again, who are the types of players you're going to sign for <$75M total value? Retreads, prove-it deals, players on the backsides of their careers, relief pitchers and mediocre players. That's it. You CANNOT build a winning team/culture with these sorts of limitations, an underfunded farm system, and a woeful scouting department that's made up of Jerry's buddies who you do not have the power to fire.
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5 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:
John Danks?
Good point. A 5yr deal to a guy coming off an abysmal season. That’s the only exception, I believe.
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14 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said:
#15, #7, #13 are the White Sox 2021-2023 MLB payroll rank. Hahn had the time and financial resources to build a quality roster.
Payroll is an incredibly misleading measure to use when evaluating the flexibility a GM was given in any particular season.
Elite talent requires long-term commitment. Jerry Reinsdorf has never given out long-term deals to players. Pitchers he won't go over 3 years. I can't remember a FA position player getting more than a 4-5 year deal. That lack of commitment doesn't cut it in today's MLB.
This is why Rick spent so damn much on the bullpen...it's the only position on the diamond where you could possibly attain "elite" talent on short-term deals.
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19 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:
Rick hasn’t been able to augment the core he acquired
This is the primary issue with this team and it's 100% the fault of one Jerry Reinsdorf.
I remember Rick going around multiple media outlets and laying out his plan...basically, we've got this outstanding core and we're going to be able to augment them with meaningful FA signings...."the money will be spent".
But it wasn't spent on meaningful FA signings. The entire plan was hamstrung by an owner who refused, and still refuses, to pay big money for long term deals. Impact players at the top of their games don't settle for short-term contracts. Short-term contracts are saved for "prove it" deals or guys on the backside of their careers. This is how we end up with Elvis Andrus, Edwin Encarnacion, or Dallas Braden instead of Bryce Harper, Manny Machado, or Marcus Semien.
Successful rebuilds with enduring positive results require deft moves in the FA market to augment the young guys and take some pressure off of them. Rick knew it. We knew it. Media knew it. Jerry knew it. Sox players knew it.
And yet here we are, getting press for a minor league signing of Scotty Piscotty.
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This entire conversation is stupid.
Let's be real. The only ways to truly rebuild this organization into one fit to compete are for Jerry Reinsdorf to either sell or die. That's it. Those are our options.
If you read Lip's article from last season concerning the organizational dysfunction, much of which has been confirmed via other reporting, this franchise is 100% fucked. If, by some miracle, we managed to trade away what we have for 10 top 100 prospects, we'll still be losing 5 years from now because the incompetence and dysfunction within the halls of the franchise will remain.
Just resign yourselves to the fact we root for one of the worst run organizations in baseball. It's not changing. There's no "lightning in a bottle" which will miraculously carry us to become competitive.
We aren't baseball fans. We're nothing more than a bunch of die hard masochists.
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One of the more frustrating pitchers to ever be on the Sox. You watch him throw and he has nice movement, plenty of velocity, the change was coming along....I mean, he literally looked like a backend of the pen kinda pitcher at times. But he's just so damn inconsistent and is clearly a headcase given how he would fall apart when pitching in any sort of high leverage situation. To an extent, I get why the Sox gave him such a long rope. A guy like that figures it out and you've got a cheap, badass reliever.
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1 minute ago, Harry Chappas said:
Team is done for today.
With today's lineup, they were done before the first pitch. We've got 4 starters resting or hurt.
Opening up my mind to giving the season a clean slate
in Pale Hose Talk
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I just can't quit this team or franchise. I despise them but get so damn happy and hopeful when things start to click the way we expected them to click.
Fact is we had the most difficult schedule in MLB through April and it wasn't particularly close. We dealt with injuries and missing players.
Schedule has lightened up considerably, we're getting healthy, we're starting to see some power numbers increase, bullpen is trying to settle and will improve with Liam and Garrett coming back. Unless you're worried about Billy or Elvis, we're essentially healthy now except for Eloy's freak appendectomy.
I don't know. I think it's at least possible we truly turn a corner and this team starts playing with some swagger instead of pressing. When that happens? Anything is possible.