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    Quentin sought after by BOS

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Jul 29, 2011 -> 11:29 AM)
    Mark is not due for a setback. He may have one, but he is not due. Mark has been one of baseball's best pitchers the last decade for a reason, and this year, he is getting ample rest. The rest I agree with you on, though.

     

    And if you look at his history over the last five years, he most definitely is due for a setback. I hope he keeps this streak of quality starts going, but chances are he'll have a few starts in a row where he gets beat up.

    Quentin sought after by BOS

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    Posted · Edited by flavum

    QUOTE (WCSox @ Jul 29, 2011 -> 11:22 AM)
    With a rotation of Danks, Buehrle, Floyd, and Peavy, the Sox have a legit chance against anybody.

     

    As great of a season as he's having, Buehrle is due for a setback. Who knows what he'll have left in October?

     

    Danks-- yes, I think he'll finish strong.

     

    Floyd-- crapshoot

     

    Peavy-- kinda sucks

     

    If you include Humber, he's never pitched this far into a major league season. Not counting on much.

     

    This is another reason why I think the Sox should sell now. They've blown so many quality starts in the first half--now I think the rotation is due for some regression. Look, I just don't think this team is getting to 85 wins. Let the Tigers have it, and let them get bounced in 4 games.

    Quentin sought after by BOS

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    QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jul 29, 2011 -> 10:20 AM)
    The other thing to look at is that the Sox aren't operating in a vacuum. Holding on to Quentin does not make this team better down the stretch, it makes it the same as it has been all season. Cleveland and Detroit are both getting better at the deadline, Cleveland will have a re-tooled OF by Sunday night and Detroit could add two starters. The Sox have nothing to deal on the farm to acquire prospects to make this team better this season.

     

    Trading CQ makes opens up a roster spot for Viciedo, who most here have been pining for. Viciedo's production will not be at the level of CQ's this season, but the pieces that are acquired in a CQ deal could contribute, or be spun to fill a gap on the team. If Rios and Dunn are still on the team at the deadline this team is going nowhere unless their production picks up, and if it does that will cover any loss in production from CQ to DV.

     

    The question isn't can the Sox win the division as it stands, because they could though they haven't been above .500 in three months, but can the Sox as they sit compete with a better Detroit team and a better Cleveland team, if not there really is no sense in not improving this teams financial situation as well as the chances to win down the road.

     

    I think this is much different than the white flag in the 90's too, most Sox fans were pretty invested in that team and thought we had a chance, I think this time around most Sox fans are so disgusted with the effort and production on a game to game basis that re-tooling would not be seen nearly as negatively.

     

    Its time to take a different approach to running this roster, stop trading for overpriced vets and build from the ground up, otherwise you are always hovering in the middle and that is not a good place to be. The Sox farm is the worst in the division, and in two-three years will be cellar dwellars if they can't get some young, inexpensive talent in the system.

     

    I agree with this. I don't want the Sox to be the Astros or Orioles in a couple years. If they don't watch it, that's what will happen.

     

    They should cut bait on some of the tradeable pieces, and yet still try to win. Who knows what some new blood might bring---maybe players that can actually beat the Twins!

    Quentin sought after by BOS

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    Make good baseball deals, and I'm ok with this.

     

    I said it in another thread, but I don't think the Sox can get to 85 wins, and that's probably what it will take.

     

    Let's make some good deals, try to win, and not mortgage the future.

    Rumor: Rios/Thornton to Brewers for Gamel?

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    http://twitter.com/#!/MrFantasyExpert/...728052746293248

     

    White Sox and Brewers still working out the specifics and all indications are the Gamel+prospect/s for Rios-salary/Thornton/Escobar is a go

     

    I don't know if I believe this, but it's all in good fun.

     

    It will all come out in the wash over the next 3 days.

     

    What's clear is if they trade Thornton and Quentin, they don't think they can get to 85 wins as currently constructed.

    Quentin sought after by BOS

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    QUOTE (Sockin @ Jul 28, 2011 -> 02:35 PM)
    @jaysonst

    Jayson Stark

    Other teams now say #WhiteSox would "absolutely" move Quentin in right deal - but "not bound & determined to move him." More in Daily Rumble

     

    Makes sense. Hopefully the Braves and Phillies get in a bidding war.

     

    The best thing that can happen is if the Astros don't want to trade Pence.

    Frank Statue

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 28, 2011 -> 10:54 AM)
    Terrible standard for this. By that logic the only retired numbers would be from the 2005 team. Ventura had 8 great years here, was a great hitter, and an even better defender. He was really the heart and soul of this team for his time here.

     

    It's not everything, but it's part of the equation.

     

    I think Buehrle and Konerko eventually getting that honor---being a big part of a World Series team is in the equation.

     

    Ventura--heart and soul? I never really looked at him like that. Good hitter--not a "great" hitter. Great glove. Played 8 full years with the Sox.

     

    Buehrle and Konerko played over a decade with the Sox. Accomplished great things, including a championship. They are far and away more deserving of a retired number over Ventura.

    Frank Statue

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    Ventura--decent career. Not close to being a hall of famer. Played about 8 full years with the Sox. Didn't win a championship.

     

    Not worthy of a retired number. Not even close.

    Frank Statue

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    QUOTE (kjshoe04 @ Jul 28, 2011 -> 09:41 AM)
    You really think 14 and 56 shouldn't be retired? They are not going to be MLB hall of famers but they truly deserve to have their numbers retired by the team.

     

    Yeah, for those guys.

     

    At the time, the Baines retired number was kind of a joke---but that's just me.

     

    I just roll my eyes when people suggest Ventura and Dye should have a retired number. They aren't even close to being worth that honor.

    Frank Statue

    in Pale Hose Talk

    Posted · Edited by flavum

    QUOTE (ewokpelts @ Jul 28, 2011 -> 09:21 AM)
    I think eventually, AJ, Boner, and Buehrle will have retired #'s and statues.

     

    AJ? Not a chance. Where did that come from?

     

    Konerko and Buehrle, for sure. Maybe Ozzie if he doesn't burn too many bridges on his way out.

     

    The Sox have retired too many numbers as it is. I like the idea of a team Hall of Fame for guys like Ventura and maybe Dye being the Series MVP (although Crede was clearly the best player), and reserve the retired numbers and statues for actual MLB Hall of Famers.

     

    It's going to be a sad day when the Sox make a statue for that clown in the broadcast booth. And you know it will happen.

    Quentin sought after by BOS

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 28, 2011 -> 09:11 AM)
    You can just as easily do this the other way. The Sox are 12-5 versus teams in first place in MLB, and they are 11-7 against the 1st and 2nd place teams in their division. I also can't remember the record right now, but I know they are also way over .500 against teams over .500.

     

    Like I said, only results matter from here on out. They must win the division. So they better play this right and really think about what's best for the future of the team. If it means trading Quentin and Floyd...and maybe Thornton, then they should do it.

    Edwin Jackson Appreciation Thread

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    Posted · Edited by flavum

    Cooper just said the Jackson/Hudson trade worked out for the Sox.

     

    He thinks their numbers are similar. Yeah, no they're not.

     

    And if you factor team control and a 20-year-old lefty named Holmberg also in the move, no, the trade did not work out for the Sox.

    Quentin sought after by BOS

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    They've played 103 games.

     

    They're under .500 at home

    They're under .500 vs the division

    They haven't had a 5 game winning streak all year

    They have Boston and New York coming to town, followed by road series in Minnesota and Baltimore---which have historically been hard places to win for the Sox.

     

    So, if they keep Quentin, they better find a way to win the division. Effort doesn't count. Only results count.

     

    My fear is they stand pat, then go 5-9 the next 14 games and wish they would have done more at the deadline.

     

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