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  1. 15 hours ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

    So your White Sox memories pertain to the team and not the players? Interesting take.

    If you replaced Paul Konerko every year with a player of similar production but a different name, you don't think that would have made the 2005 World Series less enjoyable? I absolutely think that it would have. Part of the enjoyment of fanhood is seeing a guy like Konerko dedicate his career to the city and organization, and come up big on the biggest stage in the biggest moment. Would the grand slam have felt as awesome had it been hit by a rotating 1st base piece? I would say no. Part of the joy came from seeing a guy I followed for a decade - a guy whose loyalty, community interaction, and class were second to none - succeed in the biggest moment for a team he did so much for. My memories of the game revolve around player accomplishments, not ownership moves.

    paul konerko stayed in Chicago because they offered him 60 million dollars. not because he dedicated himself to Chicago and its fans. and in 2005, he was still under team control and had no choice but to play for chicago.

     


  2. 13 hours ago, SoxAce said:

    Reminds me of the Terrell Owens situation with the NFL hall of fame. Both guys had 0 off the field issues but because of "politics" neither guy won't be 1st ballot. Both guys grade A assholes, but their on field numbers speak for themselves. Makes you wonder if Ty Cobb was playing in this era how long he would've had to wait.

    Cobb would still be a first ballot guy. Especially since his “reputation” is more or less bullshit. 
     

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  3. On 1/6/2020 at 6:10 PM, WBWSF said:

    Keep in mind that JR changed the design of the upper deck at the new stadium. He wanted the 2nd level of suites which made the upper deck what it is today. The original design didn't have the miserable upper deck. It was JRs doing.

    Which design? Addison? Pinelas County, Florida?


  4. On 1/9/2020 at 10:17 AM, cjgalloway said:

    But he is and always has been treated like he's Ruth, Aaron, Mays, etc.  He's been treated like he's an all time great because he's a lifetime Yankee.  

    And he was also %#$%@# GOOD.


  5. On 1/2/2020 at 6:58 PM, zisk said:

          All things considered, Minnie Minoso is still the best Player not in the hall. Lost 4-5 seasons due to social conditions beyond his control.

    Santo got in because he flamed out due to juvenile diabetes. Also beyond his control. I think Reinsdorf got the wrong guy in the hall. Baines 

    was a helluva player, but Minnie ran circles around him.

    Minnie wasn't on the list that Harold was on. 


  6. Do you know what $15 an hour is for a full time worker? 30 grand before taxes

    Is it that hard to want people to make at LEAST that?

    An apartment in Chicago is on the low end $1000. Utilities are another 300 a month on the low end.  Access to the internet is at least $80 a month(phone or home service). Food for a single person is at least $200. A car payment is at least $200. Gas is likely $50 a week or more. 

    At $15 an hour, you would make $2400 a month pre-tax. In this example, your low end costs are $1980.  you have $420 left over to save or spend. 

    Now imagine those same costs making $7.25(the national minumum wage). You would earn $1160 pre tax, and be in the red $820.


     

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  7. 2 hours ago, WBWSF said:

    Does anybody know how much more the TV deal is paying the White Sox? I haven't read anything as too how much the new deal is worth.

    They were getting about 500k per game on cable, and roughly 125k on  Wgn. 

    Since figures weren’t released, we don’t know. But if the per game rates hits 1 million per game, then they would have roughly $150 million just in local tv money in 2020. 


  8. On 10/4/2019 at 5:21 PM, Jake said:

    The Samardzija move was bad no matter what Samardzija did because he was going to become a free agent. It made it a very low upside move for the Sox and while Phegley/Bassitt were not high upside players, Semien was a relatively high upside one. Worth noting, however, that there's a good chance that Semien would have been cast off by the A's if he hadn't crossed paths with Ron Washington. He played some shockingly bad defense at shortstop in his first years with the A's (35 errors in one season!). To be honest, I was surprised with how underwhelming Semien's bat was until this year, but now that he's playing some very strong D and has finally found the kind of stroke he had as a minor leaguer he's looking really good.

    I have a hard time looking back on the Peavy move as some terrible thing. He was making a lot of money and got hurt right away. But we gave up nothing. Clayton Richard had one decent year that seems largely predicated on luck and playing in the best pitchers' park around. There was real upside on the Sox side of the deal and there was very little upside on the Padres side. Sox had very bad luck with Peavy getting hurt in an unprecedented way right after he was acquired and he still ended up providing some decent value.

    Peavey was ALREADY INJURED when the Sox made the trade. That’s why padres took the Sox offer at the deadline, because Williams offered the exact package as he did in May. 

     

    In retrospect he was decent when when he was healthy. And he also foolishly took a smaller below rate deal from the Sox, which ultimately allowed the Sox to not only get out from under the contract in the 2013 dumpster fire, but also get avi Garcia in the process. (To be fair, he ended up being on two WS winning clubs while under that deal). 


  9. 10 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

    lol...do you actually understand how rebuilds work?  Like it’s beyond amazing how many people point to the lower payroll as a sign of cheapness when slashing unnecessary spending is step 1 of any rebuild.  Every team that has gone through a rebuild, the Astros, the Cubs, etc. has done the exact same thing.

    As for your other point, rebuilds don’t normally lead to attendance increases & TV ratings improvements while the losing persists.  The fact that those are up is proof the fanbase was completely disgruntled over our previous attempts at winning and are excited to watch a plethora of exciting young players.  JR did not kick off a rebuild thinking fan interest interest would be better while losing 90 games and that he could capitalize off that financially.  This shit is uber nonsense.

    that $125 million payroll was them trying to "win" yet they lost badly. 


  10. 3 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

    lol...do you actually understand how rebuilds work?  Like it’s beyond amazing how many people point to the lower payroll as a sign of cheapness when slashing unnecessary spending is step 1 of any rebuild.  Every team that has gone through a rebuild, the Astros, the Cubs, etc. has done the exact same thing.

    As for your other point, rebuilds don’t normally lead to attendance increases & TV ratings improvements while the losing persists.  The fact that those are up is proof the fanbase was completely disgruntled over our previous attempts at winning and are excited to watch a plethora of exciting young players.  JR did not kick off a rebuild thinking fan interest interest would be better while losing 90 games and that he could capitalize off that financially.  This shit is uber nonsense.

    both those clubs had bad contracts for a while in the first phase of each rebuild. the cubs had alfonso soriano until 2014.

    the sox were lucky enough to move team friendly contracts for prospects quickly, and used a dumpster find (kahnle) to move the real bad paper (robertson and fraizer).  big difference when the "dump salary mode" i less than a calendar year.

    as for the attendance and ratings? they still draw less than 2013, which was a dumpster fire, but when your team is slighly better than dogshit for the first time in a few years and the sox keep offering flash sales and ballpark passes, you draw a little better. i mean, they were offering summer weekend games for $7.04! in the lower deck!


  11. On 10/5/2019 at 4:22 PM, wegner said:

    This topic got me wondering about 2nd place finishes for the White Sox and I looked back in the 1950's.

    In 154 game seasons, the Sox won 94 games in 1954...91 games in 1955...85 games in 1956...90 games in 1957...82 games in 1958

    They won 94 games in 1959 to make it to the World Series.  

    Since I was not born until the mid 1960's, I wonder what it felt like to root for teams that were good enough to win quite a few games but always fall short of the Yankees and Indians mostly?

    that was a completely different time and place. the way teams were built (and bought) and postseason alignment was radically different then.  The yankees were able to sign ANYONE of value and if they needed depth, they just went to their farm team the Kansas city athletics and poached what they wanted. If there was a two division format then, the sox would have made several ALCS type playoff rounds.

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  12. On 10/5/2019 at 12:23 PM, The Sir said:

    This is totally false. Just look at the transition from 2005-2006. We won it all and then proceeded to upgrade Orlando Hernandez into Javier Vazquez and Carl Everett into Jim Thome. Our only downgrade was replacing Rowand in CF with a failed prospect. AFAIC, that counts as trying to to put them over the top. It’s not JR’s fault that our four aces from 2005 more or less sucked in 2006, or that the entire bullpen stunk in 2006 besides Thornton. From an ownership perspective, what more could you have wanted? They got the players, and the players blew it.

    they got jim thome at a discount. philly wanted ryan howard as their full time 1B, and were willing to give the sox $22 million to move thome to get it done.


  13. Just now, Chicago White Sox said:

    This narrative is ridiculous, the Sox did NOT rebuild for financial reasons.  I don’t care how much some of you hate Jerry (and I’m not a fan of him myself), the purpose of the rebuild was 100% well intentioned with the ultimate goal of becoming a sustainable winner long-term.  There is no conspiracy theory here.

    they were losing badly with a 125 million dollar payroll. now they are losing with a 70 million dollar payroll.  but attendanc eis actually up and tv ratings on the station they part own are up.
     

    do the math.


  14. On 10/5/2019 at 12:28 PM, Jack Parkman said:

    That is the one exception, and you don't get a free pass coming off of a WS. Everyone's arm fell off that year. Garcia showed up to ST throwing 86 mph. Contreras and Buehrle were good in the first half, and sucked in the 2nd half. They still haven't recovered in CF from trading Rowand, but nobody complained about giving Anderson a chance. Garland went back to being Garland. If the pitching would have held up they would have won 100 games that year but whatever. When it was obvious that Anderson was failing they could have gone and grabbed a CF and Bullpen help. 

    I'm done litigating the 2006 Sox. 

    at one point in the 2006 season, SEVEN out of nine starters in the sox lineup were hitting better than .275. the two that were WELL under? Juan uribe and brian anderson. 

    now which player was criticized by the manager for not hitting and replaced by rob fucking mackowiak? it wasn't the guy who made a hot dog play in the world series and eventually had his fat ass immortalized on a gate 4 plaza relief, i can tell you that. never mind that the rookie was an above average outfielder and you just traded for a guy that effectively replaced the production of both your 2005 DH combo  AND your 2005 center fielder.

    i'm tired of this anderson 2006 bullshit. juan uribe sucked that year, but his buddy ozzie never talked about about his fat ass and horrible defense.  you DON'T NEED your number 9 hitter to be a batting champ in the american league!

    and let's be honest, rowand was overrated. people liked him because he was a bears fan and ran into walls. look at his giants tenure for proof.


  15. On 10/5/2019 at 10:59 AM, Chicago White Sox said:

    I think you actually might be insane.  

    Also, why is he rebuilding right now if the goal is 2nd place finishes?  That’s goes completely against your claim.

    because it's CHEAPER! the sox got three cost controlled prospects AND 60 million dollars in bonus payments and penalties for three years of a cost controlled chris sale from the red sox. 

    the sox get a pass from the national and local media for cost cutting during a "rebuild" because the recent evidence (2015-2017 WS winners) makes them "smart" not cheap. The payroll has drastically dropped the last three years, and the sox were able to trade most of their bad paper for cheaper prospects. meanwhile, ticket prices went up 12% as the sox now charge you tax above the ticket face value, and the tv deal was re-upped at a significant increase.

    the "investors" are quite happy with their returns.


  16. On 10/3/2019 at 12:36 PM, chitownsportsfan said:

    What?  Seattle has some of the best in the business.  Dave Sims is a bit over the top but has a classic play by play cadence.  Blowers is solid as the sunshine blowing ex player that will occasionally make a biting critique (similar to Stone).  Aaron Goldsmidt, who rotates with Sims is solid and many would say he's their version of Benetti.  And Rick Rizzs is a worthy successor to David Niahaus.  

    Hell, Seattle might have one of the best radio and TV crews in the league.

    it may have gotten better as the one guy died. i listened once years ago  and almost chopped my fingers off to dull the pain of listening.


  17. 2 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

    It will depend on who wants the job. How many different fill-in guys have we seen for Stone already? Any of them could take it, but honestly...if AJ was serious about wanting to go into broadcasting....

    He has a young family and he doesn’t “need” the paycheck.  The fox gigs fit him nicely. 

     

    Maybe in 5-10 years, when his kids are older, you see him here. 


  18. 17 minutes ago, reiks12 said:

    He is becoming the best announcer in baseball. I know some people here disagree with that but if you go over to /r/baseball and mention him you will have tons of people from other teams comment about how good he is. 

    I like Jason, but even his haters would have to admit there is some horrible announcing around the league. Seattle comes to mind. 

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