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  1. 4 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said:

    I wonder if this opens them at all for Cease?  I wouldn't think so as their pitching was doodoo before.

    Boston does have some young interesting position players though.  Might solve a few problems but wouldn't help with SP.  Maybe a 3 way trade would work but that is kind of late in the preseason. 

  2. 34 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said:

    No kidding dipshit they were a 100 loss team last year.  No one is turning that around overnight but at least after the trade deadline there will a lot of roster turnover and young players worth watching.

    That happens as long at Cease produces a haul of young players in July. If Cease doesn't produce a haul..............................

  3. 10 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said:

    Then why keep him? The team will be awful with him or without him, what's the difference between winning 60 games or 70 in the grand scheme of things?

    At least if you deal him you may (notice I said may) get some guys who could help you to go from 70 wins to 85 and then to 90 in time. 

    Not sure on your rational? If the Sox take the best offer and it is  average, the team is not going from 70 to 85 to 90. It probably is going from 70 to 65 because losing Cease may decrease the wins not increae them. So Sox need to be getting some plaers who will increae the overall wins not just bring it lower the next few years. 

  4. "White Sox are engaged in “serious” talks to build a new ballpark in the South Loop on the site known as “The 78.”"

     

    Seems to be some confusion as to whether this is  site "78" or 2078. How the hell old will JR be if it is 2078.............................................

  5. 32 minutes ago, Southwest Sider said:

    I love that Sports Guy is still here trying to convince us that the Sox should lower their demands. If the choice is to accept a package of mid prospects then what is even the point? Mid prospects won't move the needle and we can't develop them anyway. We need a teams 1st or 2nd best to get a deal.

    Cease should have a much better defense behind him next year and frankly it's worth the risk to just roll with him and see what he does. If an TJ knocks on the door oh well, life's tough and so is being a Sox fan. If he pitches same as last year than OK we can lower the demands to basically what is being offered right now. If he's lights out than obviously that is good. Service time does not matter because the trade deadline itself can create a ton of extra value and teams will still look at the trade like "I got Cease for my playoff run AND all of next year". 

    Getz has no reason to lower his demands. And he shouldn't be scared to roll with Dylan because he might get injured. Let the teams who need pitching go ahead and sign subpar free agents and make subpar trades just to come calling again when the TDL hits. 

    I believe Dylan Cease is an elite pitcher, will be again next year after the anomaly of 2023, and I think Getz believes that too.

    My concern is that the 2024 White Sox so far are probably worst than the 2023 version.  Cease could be an elite pitcher next year but he also could have problems  if he is constantly struggling to have the Sox score runs or give up additional runs because the Sox play poor defense.  Hopefully, if the Sox decide to ride Cease out, he doesn't struggle with a really poor team behind him

  6. 10 hours ago, Chicago White Sox said:

    Jim Bowden hypothetical trade!

    Dylan Cease to BOS for Marcelo Mayer, Wikelman Gonzalez, Jarren Duran

    🤔

    Not for Mayer, their top prospect,  unless Cease is signing a long term contract w Boston.   I could see Duran, Boston's  3rd pick Rafaela and a another pick for Cease.

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  7. 15 hours ago, Balta1701 said:

    Dylan Cease is at a spot in his career where a strong season is literally the difference between a $45 million contract and a $200+ million contract. If he can’t find the motivation to be a Cy Young candidate for 2 years in that amount of money, then you wouldn’t want to trade for him anyway.

    A guy can be motivated to be a Cy Young candidate but there is other factors involved.  Some players are solid year to year and others have periods of good and bad periods. Some guys have physical issues which can result in a bad season or even a few months. My point is if the Sox don't get a deal that works, they may have to wait until next July and see if Cease is hopefully a must have starter for a rotation as opposed to a struggling starter.  

  8. 1 hour ago, TheFutureIsNear said:

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying Ortiz doesn’t have value…but you just described a lot of the reasons for not wanting him. It’s mostly just about upside. The White Sox are far away from filling holes with solid players. We should be in the acquire as much talent with upside as possible and sort it out in 2 years stage. Hell, you guys can keep both Ortiz and Norby honestly. Beavers and Horvath probably interest me more. 
     

    Kerjstad, Beavers, Horvath and DeLeon  I would consider but would hope another team could beat. Anything less and I’ll roll the dice on Cease being able to string together 10 good starts to start the season 

    One thing that I haven't seen much talk about is how will Cease react if traded this winter or not traded.  Most of us assume a deal will happen and trade will have a new home. But what happens if the Sox don't get a deal for him and Cease returns to the White Sox . Will Cease be upset if he is not traded and  return w a vengeance heading into July trading deadline or will he struggle next season since he could be disappointed he did not get dealt this winter 

  9. On 12/29/2023 at 1:02 PM, The Mighty Mite said:

     

    This is a joke that we are still without a MLB rightfielder, I thought Kevin Kiermaier would have been a good fit but he re-upped with the Jays.

    The Sox need a starting rightfielder.  Kiermaier is 33 and he no longer even produces 10+ HR per year. Outstanding OF defensively but the Sox need an OF who can produce punch in the lineup. 

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  10. 5 hours ago, fathom said:

    Yeah Reds are done with pitching.  Really think it’s a Yankees/Boston battle

    If Orioles decide to pass, Yankees are definitely in but I don't think Red Sox are.  Red Sox are not trading  Mayer and I think Anthony may also be off-limits. Rafaela may not be good enough to be Red Sox lead trade target and best SP target may be a top 10 in their system. My guess is Yankees may have some more attractive targets.  

  11. 8 hours ago, spiderman said:

    What is sounding good on paper for what the White Sox have done to this point or are expected to be doing?

    I think the direction of the organization is well known at this point.

    "Getz definitely is organized.  For the first time the WhiteSox have an organization philosophy.  He also got all the department heads together and outlined their job description, responsibilities,  goals and how best to reach them.  I was told people were "blown away." No one had ever done anything like that before.  It's not going to happen overnight but Getz is turning this organization around. "

     

    Sounds like you got lost. You are posting on my response to Harold. I said it sounds good on paper but Getz has not accomplished anything  for real. Until Getz turns his plans into actions and we see results, his plans don't mean anything. 

  12. 1 hour ago, poppysox said:

    When it's all said and done...I want to see a stud right fielder and another good major league infielder or pitcher.  The better they are...the less I care about the other two pieces.  Much rather have quality over quantity.

    Many fans are all excited about the "prospects" the White Sox will get if we trade Cease. Then I think about trading Chris Sale and we got Moncada and Kopech. I thought we got the best of this trade with Sales' health issues. Maybe we did get the better of the deal but Moncada / Kopech were a real mediocre return so far. The same Moncada who was a top 3 prospect

    Then I think about Mookie Betts. Red Sox had to trade him and they received a package built around Verdugo. Betts is a stud and Vedugo is already heading off to another team.

    We will move Cease and we will get a bounce of "prospects".  Lets hope this bunch turns out to be studs. But too often they are prospects who look great in the minors but never really turn into studs in Chicago. 

     

  13. 9 hours ago, Tnetennba said:

    Montreal and Oakland have both shown they can support a team in the past, and both are most deserving IMO. Nashville does seem like a foregone conclusion though. 

    Now a days Toronto is the " sports city" in Canada, not Montreal. Last year there was a push to split games with Tampa and Montreal because of weather.  Tampa, new stadium or not, will draw for a few years and then it will be right back to 15,000 or less. Imagine attendance if the Rays ever have a lousy team? 

  14. 48 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said:

    Yeah, if you're dealing with the Red Sox, their only headliner is Anthony imo. Anthony and Teel would be really nice.

    In any deal. I want a quality SP in first or 2nd pick. I like Teel as a 2nd but then I want a pitcher as the headliner.  Having said that, not sure Boston has a SP headliner. 

  15. 17 hours ago, Rey21 said:

    Dylan Cease, Corbin Burnes, Shane Bieber, Tyler Glasnow, Blake Snell, 
    Yoshinobu Yamamoto, Jordan Montgomery 

    Angels, Braves, Cards, Cubs, Dodgers,  Giants, Mets, Nationals, Orioles, Padres, Reds, Red Sox, Rockies, and Yankees all need pitching to varying degrees, if Chris Getz fumbles this… 

    The White Sox also need pitching especially if Cease gets moved. 

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