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If it goes 5 years, which i think is unlikely, but not crazy, then Andrew Benintendi will own the largest contract in Chicago White Sox history. 1X All-Star Andrew Benintendi. Pull the permits. We're partying up and down Western.
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Just now, chw42 said:
It makes me think we gotta overpay for him. I think 4 years and $15 million is probably what his market is. The Sox might have to pay a few extra million to get him here.
Ya, he's stuck in that middle ground like Avi Garcia was a few years ago. He's a solid back and affordable to almost every franchise thus driving his overall cost. I'm w/ you on the 4/60 deal. He's probably worth closer to 4/48mm.
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3 minutes ago, tray said:
Sign a second basemen next and shut the whiners here up.
I wouldn't call Sox fans whiners. I'd call them smart and accountable fans who have been subject to the worst franchise in baseball for countless decades. They are rightfully skeptical & upset.
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I'll give a golf clap. Not trying to be the unthankful Sox fan. It's a nice baseball move and if it happens it's a step in the right direction.
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4 hours ago, Texsox said:
@he gone. So maybe because it's early in the morning but I'm trying to follow this. He's not ready this season (2023) because for him to be ready in 2023 he also would have been ready in 2022.
So if they say he's ready this season (2023) he won't be, but he will be ready in 2024 because they said he was ready in 2023. You're not ready until you've been ready for two seasons.
So doesn't that mean if they brought him out on 2022 and said he was ready he would have also had been ready in 2021?
I have no idea if he's ready or not, i hope he is. That would be awesome.
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Sox last year while playing anybody and everybody else in the OF ,... Colas isn't ready.
Colas the minute the season ends ... "Hey white sox writers/water carriers ... start writing pieces about how he's amazing and can be the immediate opening day RF cause we're too cheap to sign someone.
Amazing how that works. If he's ready for Opening Day, then he should've been out their in RF last year.
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Can we stop shortening Benintendi's name to 10D as if he's our guy and this is the nickname we've assigned him?
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Sox fans are in disarray.
Just yelling how they hate Kapman. Dude is good people. Hard worker, knows how to mix it up and make good tv/radio. Plays for the cameras. Leans in when necessary. He's got a job to do and he's done very well to keep a role like this going in the Chicago media for decades.
I also love the tone of this thread. Leave it to the Sox to absolutely obliterate their championship window so terribly that we are maybe 2 years into it, with still a pretty significant core and chance to win and we are reacting the way we are.
Now, don't take that as a knock. I am right there with you. My allegiance to the White Sox is the lowest it's been in 25 years. They are all but dead to me and will have to win me back. It's not going to be through spending, so it better come through 95+ win baseball.
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I did, one hundred percent did not renew my tickets and it wasn't even a hard decision.
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Also not apples to apples, but this is why contracts like the one we gave to Danks or to Gavin Floyd aren't actually bad even if they were. You have to roll the dice sometimes and lock in years and pay. If we truly saw the talent Rodon had and believed in his health ... we should've offered him something he couldn't refuse. Same with Giolito this year .. he's off a bad year, but if you can get him on 4/80 I'd take it. Pitchers don't grow on trees and very soon the Sox are not going to have many ....
Giolito and Lynn have little time left. Clevinger is a one year deal ... we don't have much to speak of in the minors. No matter what our offense looks like you're not winning much if you're scraping the bottom of the barrel each FA season like the LA Angels do trying to pencil in a rotation each year. I can already see our future each year signing the likes of Rich HIll, VV, Ross Stripling, Cueto, Smyly, Quintana types and just hoping we get a good year out of them.
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people should go back and read the thread when he signed for 1yr, 3mm. Lots of great takes. (they were mostly negative)
I've always liked Carlos and wish him the best. I hope he gets his money.
I'd give him 4/120mm tops. In no way should he approach what DeGrom gets.
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1 hour ago, JoeCredeYes said:
Tim "liked" that Tweet that says he'll be in another uniform one day.
Because he will.
Just randomly quoted this one, not singling you out.
I am in shock of the disbelief of this board. This year was the last year of going all in. The winter meetings happened and they most certainly did not go all in. The only other option is trading. Anderson has 2 years left and is one of the few positions where we actually have a feasible backup in Montgomery. Now do I think it'd be premature to trade him this offseason when you do not know for certain that Montgomery will continue his upward projection? Yes. But at the same time Xander going to SD did increase the pressure on winning teams to add a meaningful SS. If his value is enough right now you consider. In all probability he's on this team in 2023 and next offseason is trade when the FA SS market is thin. The Sox are not going to give their first long and $100mm+, $200mm+ contract out to Anderson when they have Montgomery lined up. Y'all are high if you think he's coming back in any way after his contract expires.
Also shocked on how many people turned on TA for his off the field stuff. Grow up. He needs to grow up too. But give me 20 minutes in your internet history and to go through your phone and half y'all would be in trouble w your wives. You're not a better human ... so quit acting like it. If you had millions and opportunities thrown at you there's a very big chance that you'd make mistakes too.
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The similar bat profile for him in 2022 was Trayce Thompson, Aquino, 2020 Gary Sanchez, and Patrick Wisdom.
Imagine the Sox signed any of those guys at 1yr and 10mm or whatever the number turns out to be.
I rest my case your honor.
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I should make it clear ... i hate sheets. so my comment on rather having sheets is basically jest.
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2 minutes ago, GREEDY said:
Doesn't the fact that the Dodgers were interested like 5 months ago make him slightly intriguing?
I'm just excited to have more than one actual outfielder.
nope. not in the least to be honest. I think if we sign him and check in July on this post you'd be in my camp. Hopefully I am wrong if we sign him .... but check in with Yankees and Dodgers fans. Or even Texas fans by the end... he's just not good.
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51 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:
Holding onto Hendriks is holding onto the dream that this team can still win but its also holding onto an asset that will start declining very soon.
Agree. I actually think Hendriks has a few more years in him, but I agree with you ethos of the post whole heartedly. We've seen the contracts being put forth after this new CBA. It's incentivizes AAV, and thus longer term contracts. The windfall from the Apple deal + selling BAMtech to apple for just under a billion = about $65mm revenue per team. These are all tailwinds for spending and thus far you've seen it. That said, it does not match JR's philosophy of short term contracts. So we are at a crossroads. JR isn't going to sell a team that gives him a dividend each year and increases in value each year because as fans we're mad he pockets the money. Franchises like the Sox are worth a ton of money & he knows as long as he spends a bit more than the A's and Rays and makes it look like he's putting in SOME effort (aka strive for second place) then his franchise returns value. This is not changing.
The quicker Sox fans come to grips with this, the more healthy and fun it will be to be a Sox fan. The overwhelming odds are that Anderson will be traded. Hendriks will be traded. Giolito will be traded. If you're not going to commit to the spending, you have to commit to the trading and turning over of the franchise. As it stands we're not a good enough team to win it all (unless all breaks correctly) and the runway is short. These guys are leaving and you need something in return other than compensatory picks that are going to take 2-3 years to get to the majors. We don't have enough depth in the minors, we have contracts that are ending, and we're too cheap to resign these guys ... the idea of just going down with the ship just isn't smart. Time to pivot.
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White Sox fans loved Adam Dunn. They are sure to take to Gallo.
Benetti: "And that's a single through the middle for Moncada and the Sox have the bases loaded with just one out! Here comes Gallo!"
Strike out. Next AB is a roll over and we get zero. Over and over and over. Joey Gallo has hit THREE sacrifice flies in his career. THREE. IN HIS CAREER.
For a guy that is a three outcome player you'd think he'd hit a warning track fly a bunch getting the guy in ... THREE.
I'd rather have Sheets and the money in Jerry's pocket than Gallo.
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8 hours ago, SoCalChiSox said:
Now that SS market is moving, let's see if TA trade takes off.
I don't think it was a coincidence that article came out yesterday with the Sox poo pooing the Anderson trade. A SS going to a non-SS needy team definitely just upped TA's value. It also probably moved his value into that 8/200mm range as an extension. (total guess) God knows the Sox aren't doing that. There's absolutely no rush to trade him with 2 years left, but I'd be all ears if the right offer came around. That said, next year's class is weak. very weak. It's basically Amed Rosario and nothing else. You probably also see Machado opt out and cash in again. Enjoy Anderson's last year here, cause he's as good as gone before his contract ends.
(this is not what I want, but I have to be a realist as a fan. I can't continue to be bitter that the Sox are bottom feeder/tier franchise. Otherwise every signing is sad/mad feelings. This franchise is Oakland and once we all accept that the better so we can discuss reality)
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33 minutes ago, he gone. said:
now ... please ... don't get on me for "that trade is so lopsided". I'm just throwing around examples.
31 minutes ago, fathom said:Problem is those trades are lopsided so you’re not getting nearly as much back as you would think, which means far more holes that need to be filled.
25 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:On top of that, they're not thought out. The Diamondbacks have no need to send out guys they control for multiple years for a pitcher who is a free agent in 1 year. Is Giolito going to put them over the top next year? With the Dodgers, Padres, and Giants in that division? C'mon man.
Good reading comprehension. smh. the grissom one is one i saw floating around on twitter and i think it too is a ridiculously lopsided trade and one that I'd do in a split second. hell just for grissom i'd do it in a split second.
The DBacks have been in talks with guys like Boagerts ... AND AGAIN I SAID DONT SAY THESE TRADES ARE LOPSIDED AND ARE JUST FOR EXAMPLES. WHY AM I EVEN RESPONDING. I SAID VIDEO GAME MINDSET, I SAID LOPSIDED TRADE, I SAID IN THEORY ... i swear you ppl make me crazy sometimes.
I'm gonna make it my mission to just find dumb things Balta1701 has said .... thats my new goal. Have fun with it.
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1 hour ago, LittleHurtCG said:
Why in the world are the Sox trying to trade Giolito and Hendricks during a year that they are supposed to be competing for a World Series? Why create two big holes on your mlb roster?
This is crazy talk to me. Why stop with just those guys? Dylan Cease is value is at all time high as well right now. Think of all the shiny prospects the Sox could get for him! Total insanity.
I don't disagree with you. But clearly the White Sox are not choosing the other route of others (Cubs, Padres, Astros, etc. etc. of spending/pushing pedal down during their window)... so my guess is at the very least they are very much entertaining this scenario. We're doing our best Brewers impression. Their GM had to come out and say they weren't trading Burnes or Woody this offseason, but they did trade Wong and Renfroe. They did trade Hader. The Sox are the Brewers.
Let me put it to you this way ... lets say you trade Hendriks for Vaughn Grissom + Soroka and then trade Giolito for Alek Thomas & Josh Rojas. Or Giolito for Bret Baty. Or maybe something like Robert for Jazz Chisolm and Pablo Lopez... (now ... please ... don't get on me for "that trade is so lopsided". I'm just throwing around examples. Examples where you trade a Gio or Hendriks with 1 yr of control left to plug another hole with more control while getting MLB talent back. It's not necessarily punting 2023 and beyond ... it's "retooling" especially considering we have a pretty thin minors system and we're not going to resign a lot of these guys ...
Let's just for sits and giggles toss around the first two trades in a video game scenario ... you basically replace gio in rotation with soroka. you plug in grissom to 2B. You move graveman into the closer role and have alek thomas manning RF or LF with Rojas as a big upgrade at UTIL. Is that a better team than currently constructed? It's just food for thought and probably what the Sox are mulling.
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9 minutes ago, LittleHurtCG said:
No way in hell anything like this happens. No way in hell.
The White Sox are a status quo organization. NOthing major is coming expect for maybe signing a guy like Gallo or Jason Heyward.
I'm expecting both Gio and Hendriks gone. I could be wrong, but on a final year of deals where the Sox will in no way resign them? The SP market just got thin ... Taillon and Tijuan are getting $70mm .... those are guys I wouldn't be very comfortable starting in the playoffs as my #3 and they're almost getting $20mm a year. I think the leverage + return on Giolito is just growing and the Sox are very aware they're not giving their first $100mm contract to Giolito. I count him as good as gone. Same angle on Hendriks. The price of a closer is going up and we have internal options ... I see him gone as well.
My final guesses of an Eloy or Robert center around getting back a controllable arm. I think the Gio/Hendriks angle nets you some bats/positions and then an Eloy/Robert nets you maybe a Pablo Lopez or Marlins type package back.
Obviously all of this going down like I'm guessing is very low, just my personal guess that I see happening. They can't trade Gio and Hendriks during a winning season when we're competing for a division - it'd be white flag trade all over. They have to get rid of them now so they have time to spin zone the return. Just my two cents.
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i actually expect significant change. I think we'll see a trade of:
Giolito
Hendriks
Grandal (tying them to one of the above for a lesser return - though i hope not)
and then one of Eloy, Anderson, Robert
I think we see a massive reshuffle. And there will be significant talent exchanged.
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these past 3-4 years are the toughest because we had the perfect set up and we squandered it so badly that we never had a very strong chance of winning it all. We all can sense what's coming next because we're not stupid, but the Sox, the Sox FO and the likes continue to talk down to us as if we are. They're cowards who hide cancelling fan events like SoxFest (not my cup of tea, but still is for a bunch of die hards + KIDS!). The "core" and "championship window" we were all promised turned out to be approximately 2 years which was led by TLR, Dallas Keuchel and the likes. It was a colossal failure and the pivot is already to trading some of our best talent in Giolito and Hendriks because we're so inept that we know we have no chance of resigning them. So rather than add on the fringes on short term deals (Bellinger, Haniger, Conforto, etc.) we have decided it's better to trade those guys and go younger.
All of this coming after big pay days of MLB doing sales + apple contract where i think the owners all started with like $60mm free dry powder than the year before. To those who think JR is selling the team ever? Good luck. Owning this franchise is like having a stock paying dividend to him. If you put him on a lie detector you'd get the results we all know ... he doesn't actually care about winning. he cares about his bottom line.
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At that price you throw the dice if you're the guardians. the commitment is short, price is reasonable. But we have our own 1B/OF juggernaut in Gavin Sheets.
Dodgers gonna cut Trevor Bauer now that he’s reinstated (updated 12/22)
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Positives: he's a pitcher that could put us over the top for a world series. the contract would be cheap and likely short in duration. can never have too many arms
Negatives: just from the outside looking in, i dont get the sense he has much remorse or has yet to mature. think he may just be a scumbag to the core. i dont particularly want to cheer for a team with him on it regardless how much it helps us win.
Look, baseball is littered with these type of guys. Chapman always comes to top of mind for me ... Marcell Ozuna ... the way things work is you're given a punishment and you serve it. If he's done that he's fine to resume his normal life. There are consequences to his actions and he's living that. I'd pass personally, but wouldn't revolt if we had interest.