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    Heyman: Sox interested in someone on some team. Nightengale: *nods*

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    2 minutes ago, WhiteSoxFan1993 said:

    Right but Vinnie Duber works for a TV station partly owned by the Sox. Doesn't seem like they let him run that story if it's not true.

    NBC Sportsnet speculates all the time.  It's click bait.  I mean look at the article.  Right underneath "By Vinnie Duber" it says "Presented by Nationwide Insurance Agent Jeff Vukovich."

    Look I want Escobar too.  I hope this goes through.  But there are still no corrobating sources.  And Bob is still getting the 😶 silent treatment nationally it's appears.

    Heyman: Sox interested in someone on some team. Nightengale: *nods*

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    21 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

    Bobs so bad he was the only one to know the managerial job was LaRussas if he wanted if. Itz hysterical how much this guy gets picked on here and excuses are made for others who are far less accurate with White Sox news.

    I don't know the story but he's long been considered a mouth piece type used to spread disinfo.  

    I will believe there is real smoke here when someone like Sherman, Passan, Rosenthal etc. confirm it, or one of the guys close to the Sox says something.

    The mainstream guys are just ignoring this.  Surely they are well aware of the comment.  

    Heyman: Sox interested in someone on some team. Nightengale: *nods*

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    6 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

    Even with the HRs, his numbers were around league average and he has 3 months of control. He’s a good get, but not a guy that is going to make some team give up a really good prospect, and eat all the money even if his salary is pretty reasonable, especially with the owners crying poor. The Sox had to eat most of Ray Durhams contract for the Jon Adkins. The sooner the DBacks trade Escobar, the sooner they have to stop paying him which is going to be their biggest trade reward. Making a team take another contract can work as well, but they need to be careful. Waiting until the deadline is only going to cost them money.

    I agree with this mostly but I do think the home runs make him greater than the sum of the numbers just because it is so lacking on our team and it is such an important element to winning a game.

    To me Lambert is fair and I guess I wouldn't say it like it's low but I do see how it would be seen as low compared to a top 150 prospect or so. And I agree Escobar won't bring back that kind of return.

    I think Lambert has really been underappreciated and undervalued around the league and will be a good player if he can ever stay healthy.  But I do think that if you are the DBacks you shop around and try to beat that as a centerpiece.

    Heyman: Sox interested in someone on some team. Nightengale: *nods*

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    1 minute ago, Eminor3rd said:

    I was gonna say the same thing. It's so strange it feels almost like he's bitter and trying to show someone up... somehow. He appears to be clearly forcing it into paragraphs where it doesn't belong.

    I was thinking that too.  Didn't the Sox side bash Nightengale pretty bad over the Machado pursuit?  I was wondering if maybe he's playing a bit of the scorned lover role and trying to spill some beans to get back at the Sox.  It's a long shot but I think it's pretty unprofessional writing, as been stated here in this thread and all over his twitter feed.

    Heyman: Sox interested in someone on some team. Nightengale: *nods*

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    4 minutes ago, Dick Allen said:

    The prospect price for 3 months of Escobar should be low. It is all about how much money the Sox are willing to take on.

    Those numbers are really good for a 2B though.  He's on fire and is in full rebound-from-last year mode.  He also has a track record and is still at an age where you're not looking at his production as a fluke.  I mean let's be real, he's a good player.

    Heyman: Sox interested in someone on some team. Nightengale: *nods*

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    22 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

    To me, this feels like the Sox paying in advance for future leaks.  They do this from time to time so that Bob has some level of credibility, at least when it comes to the Sox.

    I was thinking about these scenarios:

    -Sox are trying to put pressure on PIT or some other team to get serious about their 2B because the Sox are willing to pay the price on Escobar

    -Nightengale is doing AZ a favor and letting other teams know that AZ is prepared to move Escobar to CHW very soon if other teams don't get serious about him

    -Bob is doing AZ a favor and letting other teams know that they need to put in final offers

    All that makes sense to me.

    Heyman: Sox interested in someone on some team. Nightengale: *nods*

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    25 minutes ago, Harold's Leg Lift said:

    :bang

    So what about what I wrote is wrong/inaccurate?  All of this kind of stuff has been published before.

    I don't see how the Sox could/would be operating in stealth Danks-for-McCarthy / Sergio Santos-for-Nestor Molina stealth mode here, where both teams keep things quiet on purpose in order to get the guy they really want.

    The DBacks are an obvious seller and Escobar is obviously a trade chip.  There's no reason for the DBacks to be stealthy about much of anything.  They should absolutely be shopping their players to all bidders, and as such, other people should be onto it.

    Also, Escobar's deal isn't even bad.  There's no need to dump that off for nothing.  Now if Soria and/or Calhoun are coming with him maybe that's different.

    I don't buy this that all.  Even in spite of your emoji.

    Maybe the Sox will ultimately get Escobar, and I hope they do.  But if it's really that close to being done, there should be a lot more out there than just some accusations by Nightengale.  

    Heyman: Sox interested in someone on some team. Nightengale: *nods*

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    10 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

    Why do you say that?

    Typically this is how it goes:

    All the main newsbreaker types have access to the league office.  Usually things are pretty quiet until the papers get sent into the office.  Then, everyone starts to know at once, and that's when the local beat guy and preferred writer types are likely to get the extra scoop, because the papers are already in and everyone already is going to know.  This obviously isn't finalized.  The papers aren't in otherwise as is typical, all the big baseball writers would be all over it.

    Secondly, the Sox aren't the only team bidding on Escobar.  The DBacks also aren't out to make the Sox better, they are out to improve their own team.  Typically, when a deal is close, the trading club will call the other bidders and ask them to submit final offers.  Again, here is a point where other writers start chiming in.  Other teams' writers start saying they think they will or won't get a guy, etc.  We aren't there yet either.

    This is a Boob plant IMO.  IMO what makes the most sense is that it's probably a comment designed to get other teams to up their offers to AZ, which actually hurts the Sox.  So fuck Bob.

    Trade an asset

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    Rodon's performance this year is the biggest reason I am okay with the Sox trading prospects to add.  He's their Game 1 ace.  He's the biggest horse.  You get rid of him and our chances to win anything of consequence in the playoffs drop considerably.

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    Heyman: Sox interested in someone on some team. Nightengale: *nods*

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    1 minute ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

    What would make you think they would take Eaton and Marshall. If they are going to eat some salary surely they would also want a decent prospect not retreads.

    Quite obviously, the assumption on Blackmon is that the Rockies are not going to get a needle-mover of a prospect no matter how much salary they eat, and their best hope for a quality prospect is probably to eat all of it and end up with a Sheets + McClure kind of return.  And so if that assumption is true, owners always want the salary relief.

    I remember getting the laugh emojis thrown at me over the offseason when I said that Arenado would clear waivers.  Well, that was true.  The Rockies ate a shitload of cash just to get back nothing.  Blackmon is also a guy who would clear waivers.  The Rockies probably just want the most salary relief possible, so that's why they would do that deal.

    Eaton at least fills a hole and is a possible flip candidate.  Or you can cut him and pay the contract, who cares?  The money is spent either way.  And they definitely would try to flip Marshall the same way we did with Clippard when we got him from the Yankees.  Maybe they could get a bit of money back on him.  Even if not, he helps fill a hole and eats some innings.  It's not like the Rockies have a bunch of world-beater prospects to throw out there.

    Heyman: Sox interested in someone on some team. Nightengale: *nods*

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    2 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:

    Why couldn't the Sox just go after Escobar and Starling Marte since they are free agents ? Yes it will cost prospects but combined salary would be right around $10M for the rest of 2021.

    Looking at Blackmon's contract would cost the Sox around $45M from the TDL  through 2023 in his age 35 , 36 and 37 seasons. He turns 35 July 1st. Plus you are losing 2 of your best starting pitchers after this year and that money could be used to find more pitching. I think I can safely safe the Sox would not pursue Blackmon.

    The Sox won't do anything extravagant. They will walk the fine line between saving money and deciding which prospects are worth giving up. Even with the supposed go ahead from Reinsdorf  I'm sure he would prefer cost effective moves over committing more money to future years.

    I think if it is a Blackmon deal we would be getting some money back in that.  Also, in my proposal, we are sending out Eaton's 2021 + Eaton's buyout + Marshall's 2021 salary, so we aren't taking it all back.  But yeah, I think we would definitely be getting some cash back on Blackmon.

    Of course, I would really prefer Starling Marte.  But that's a tougher guy to get, obviously.  We will have some competition there for sure.  And I would rather risk some $$$ and get a guy who could help us win this year before 1 or both of Rodon + Lynn depart in FA than just hang our hopes on Marte and come up empty.

    Again, IMO a Blackmon deal wouldn't (or shouldn't) necessarily take us out of the running for Marte.  It just gives us more quality veteran depth.  I mean let's just be real here, do we want the likes of Goodwin/Leury/Hamilton hitting in the 2-hole or Blackmon?  That's a total no-brainer.

    Heyman: Sox interested in someone on some team. Nightengale: *nods*

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    6 minutes ago, iWiN4PreP said:

    What? What are people smoking.

    We aren't trading Vaughn/Kopech.

    Crochet? MAAAAYBE.

    Vaughn for Carson Kelly, as a base

    Vaughn + Crochet + Madrigal for Carson Kelly + Ketel Marte, as a base

    Vaughn + Crochet + Madrigal for Zac Gallen + Ketel Marte, as a base

    Etc. 

    Not sure any of those could/would happen, but those are multi-year solution types of players coming back (and also going out).

    I do think that Madrigal's last 1-1.5 months of play really lifted his trade value.  Unless the hamstring is a potential issue going forward, it's a lot of control over a guy who could be a quality starting 2B with 1 truly elite tool.

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