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    White Sox bring Mike Clevinger back, pending physical

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    2 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

    The only things he did with the Sox that are known are coming out to the “Gold Digger” entrance music by Kanye, which was seen as bad taste considering the recent allegations against him.  He also threatened to sue The Score radio station after Parkins & Spiegel had his accuser on the radio to tell her part of the story and basically ran with her words as being true.

    Ok, so nothing that we haven't seen a thousand times with professional athletes?

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    White Sox bring Mike Clevinger back, pending physical

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    28 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:

    What would Clevinger have cost other interested teams then, in your opinion, had there been any?

    The guy also didn’t get signed until a week into this year’s baseball season by a team that needs him absolutely the least because they aren’t even in competition for anything.

    It’s pretty obvious that there is pretty much zero interest in this guy outside of the pathetic and desperate White Sox.

    He wouldn't be the first athlete to be blackballed due to circumstances surrounding him/her. Sometimes it is, sometimes it's debatable & sometimes it's just plain unfair.

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    Your Personal Sox Likeability Hall Of Fame

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    I was a huge Francisco Barrios fan in the late 70's.  I had heart surgery as a kid and my dad knew someone who worked at Comiskey, so he asked Barrios if he would come visit me in the ICU. The guy hardly spoke a word of English, but he showed up and  spent more than an hour with me ... the day following a nighttime start.

    I'll never forget his generosity...great dude. Just sad what happened to him later on.

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    Tim Anderson Free Agency Discussion

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    9 hours ago, chitownsportsfan said:

    The devil you know is often better than the one you don't. Those guys will be replaced with AAAA filler for the most part and or they do something utterly ridiculous like bring up Colson in May.

    2024 is gonna suck no matter what.

    Therefore, clean house, fill the SS hole with something cheap until Montgomery is ready (same approach at catcher until Quero is ready), try & sign a corner OF who can help you for 3-4 years, develop your young  SP in the minors, and then spend big next winter.

    The goal should be to compete in a bad division in '25.

    Tim Anderson Free Agency Discussion

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    5 hours ago, Lip Man 1 said:

    Actually both of them have been saying Anderson has been part of the problem and in my opinion they are right.

    Guy has a world of talent and a 10 cent head.

    His distractions and off the field antics can be someone else's problem.

    The Sox are going to be brutal next year so at least try to get some guys who care.

    Yes, and use some of that cash to sign a middle infielder or SP for 2-3 years. Someone who can hopefully contribute in 2025. No reason this team cannot legitimately compete in '25 if they spend wisely while ushering in the new crop (Montgomery, Ramos, etc.). 

    MLB Trade Rumors - Chicago White Sox Offseason Outlook - by Tim Dierkes

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    2 hours ago, baseball_gal_aly said:

    Eloy is 27 on OD. He's not young anymore and has been injured or bad since 2021. 

    If Eloy goes elsewhere and busts out, we can rightfully blame awful development by the Sox. Until then, he's a classic underachiever, regardless of the "why." There's enough evidence over 4 seasons to make this conclusion.

    There's been a boatload of them...not the first & certainly not the last.

    9/13- Sox vs Royals, 6:40

    in 2023 Season in Review

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    1 hour ago, South Side Hit Men said:

    He is scum and I hope he gets an L tonight. If the Sox resign him this offseason, I will not follow a single pitch until Jerry and the persons responsible are no longer employees or owners of the Chicago White Sox.

    Gave them the benefit of incompetence over proper due diligence and signing him anyway.

    Relax, Bro. He's been our most consistently starter all season. 

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    4/2 - Sox @ Astros

    in 2023 Season in Review

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    Just now, ChetLemon77 said:

    So he's a "piece of -----" because you had him pegged as being a wife beater based an accusation, even though the evidence supposedly proved otherwise?  Give the guy a break. Remember, this is still the USA where burden of proof is supposed to mean something. 

    Sorry, that was meant for Soxfan49...

    4/2 - Sox @ Astros

    in 2023 Season in Review

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    So he's a "piece of -----" because you had him pegged as being a wife beater based an accusation, even though the evidence supposedly proved otherwise?  Give the guy a break. Remember, this is still the USA where burden of proof is supposed to mean something. 

    2023 Predictions

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    11 hours ago, Johno said:

    79 wins / 83 losses.   Team is average, nothing more!

    Could anyone have imagined in 2020 - when the "window" was just opening and all of the young talent was just beginning to brew- that this would be a very typical prediction by both fans & writers three years later? When most thought this team would be on the cusp of a WS?

    Depressing...

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    Mike Clevinger under investigation for domestic violence

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    5 hours ago, ChiSox59 said:

    That’s fair. And to be honest, I agree with most everything you said and as far as Sox fans / this board goes, side with your take on this much more than most. 

    That said, Clevinger is a scumbag and I hope he never pitches a game for the Sox even though they’re clearly better if he does as currently constructed. I hope he gets hit with a 162+ game ban and blackballed from the league like Bauer appears to be. I am in no way condoning the DV allegations here, but the child abuse accusations takes this a very clear step further for me. It’s also just another distraction (as minor as it may ultimately be), that is clubhouse does not need. 

    I hope he gets a 162+ game ban & blackballed from the league if the investigation shows he did what he's been accused of doing...

    Mike Clevinger under investigation for domestic violence

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    3 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

    Look, you can keep feeding us all this I am just applying LoGiC crap that you can hide behind as to not overtly be seen as defending Clevinger. It's the oldest trick in the 2nd level Troll book, the whole I am just asking questions here, not actually defending this...

    I can appreciate that you seem to have enough rational thought to not leave yourself a nice place to hide on the sidelines, but if you cared about ACTUAL logic, you would understand the stats as they pertain to domestic abuse.

    So if you ask questions and want the investigation seen through, you're "defending Clevinger?"  Displaying patience and wanting it done correctly before running an athlete out of town is a "trick in the book?" Desiring to not apply overall statistics to an INDIVIDUAL'S guilt or innocence is somehow "hiding on the sidelines?"  Interesting...

    Mike Clevinger under investigation for domestic violence

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    8 hours ago, Tnetennba said:

    If he’s exonerated, I will have to cross that bridge if we get there.  As it stands he’s been credibly accused, if MLB clears him and he remains with the team it’s something I’ll have to live with.  He is still a shitbag either way.  Whether or not I choose to still follow this team afterwards is an unknown.  

    There have been a number of "credibly accused" who have been genuinely not guilty of whatever the charge might be (even murder). That's why patience & deliberation are so important ... how many times have we been fooled?

    Other than this accusation, is there other evidence that suggests he's a "shitbag?"  Genuinely asking. If it's strictly accusation of philandering, that club is huge. 

    Mike Clevinger under investigation for domestic violence

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    20 minutes ago, Tnetennba said:

    I don’t really care how much money the Sox end up on the hook for, I never want to see him in uniform, in the dugout, or around the team.  They absolutely should cut ties with him as soon as it’s feasibly possible.  If he does pitch for this team it’s going to be really hard for me not to cut ties with them.  TLR nearly broke my fandom, this very well could finish the job of ending it. 

    So if he's eventually exonerated (not likely, but certainly possible), you'd still want the Sox to "cut ties with him" and you would still "cut ties with them?" Just wondering...

    Your 2023 Off-Season Plan

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    2 minutes ago, ChetLemon77 said:

    A .635 POS and 78 OPS+ from one of the main stalwarts in your offense is awful. He & Grandal blew up their offense this year. I realize we're stuck with Yo Yo for the time being, which sucks. I see no reason to expect a significant turnaround from him in '23. Would be shocked, actually.

    .635 OPS...sorry.

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