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    The State of the Sox...

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    Interesting insights, thank you! Now I think I'll go drive MY car off a cliff! Seriously, I can't say many of the quotes surprise me. That said, having spent time in both public and private companies, many of those quotes could have come from any of those places as well. Hopefully hiring Grifol and (supposedly) letting him hire his coaches is a step in the right direction. 

    Pedro Grifol named White Sox manager; Katz asked to return per Rosey

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    3 hours ago, Buehrle>Wood said:

    Also note there's a good chance Grifol would be the Tigers manager right now if not for La Russa. He was a finalist for the job then the Sox passed on Hinch and the Tigers got him.

    This. Detroit could not pass on Hinch. I have some people that I trust in the Royals organization. They were sure they were losing him in 2020. When Detroit picked Hinch, the Royals gave Grifol a substantial raise to keep him on the bench. Once Dayton Moore got fired, the Royals were committed to let Picollo go outside the organization for his first hire. They STILL wanted Grifol as their bench coach, but certainly weren't going to stand in his way to get the Sox job. And before we $hit all over the Royals organization, they've been to and won a WS far more recently than the Sox.

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    White Sox Mgr Speculation Thread

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    Interviewing Ozzie makes me think of another local hire that was thought to be impossible until it actually happened; Dave Laitao 2.0 at DePaul. The parallels are a little scary. 

    DePaul engaged a search firm to come up with candidates. They did their due diligence and went back to the AD (Jeanne Lenti Ponseto) and told her "you've got a problem. Nobody wants to take this job and work under this administration". You better find sometime who will take it under your terms or you'll look like an idiot. She grabbed Leitao and set the program back another decade. 

    Now look at the Sox. We want people like Espada, Long, Grifol, etc. They get interviewed and find out this organization is even more dysfunctional than they could imagine. JR making the real decisions, a bunch of sycophants bowing to JR, not getting to hire your own coaches, known "moles" in your clubhouse. You look it that and say "no thanks". 

    Now the Sox are down to their #5 or 6 choice and someone says "we better find someone that won't incite a riot by the fans. What would be worse, hiring Joe Madden or bringing back Ozzie. Ozzie desperately wants back in the game and will say whatever will get him the job...... knowing full well he'll do it his way once he gets the job or go to the press and b****. 

    A stretch? Maybe, but I put NOTHING past this organization.

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    White Sox Mgr Speculation Thread

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    27 minutes ago, JTB said:

    If it’s Guillen…I’m not sure I can support them anymore or at least until Reinsdorf is gone.  
     

    I know I say that and I know I’ll be back watching, but how fucking stubborn or dumb or whatever can a guy be to hire LaRussa and then Guillen.  Zero self awareness.
     

    Please let this rant be for naught.  Please hire Long or anyone who’s been in a dugout this decade. I don’t think that’s too much to ask.

    I've got two words for you.....Bill Wirtz. JR's handling of this team rivals Wirtz through most of his ownership. The 2004 Blackhawks were voted the worst run team in ALL SPORTS. A title JR is clearly striving to eclipse with the way he has run this franchise into the dirt. 

    No Soxfest in 2023

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    Canceling SoxFest is a total and complete chickenshit move made by a bushleague organization. They hide under their desks, don't go to the ballpark, and live in an echo chamber where sycophants tell JR how brilliant he is and how much people love him. The idea of actually listening to direct feedback from their customers petrifies them. I'm thoroughly disappointed in the entire FO, but not in the least bit surprised. 

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    White Sox Mgr Speculation Thread

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    27 minutes ago, Tnetennba said:

     

    The above tweet was posted and there was excitement.  Then the no-names on twitter claiming to have sources shot it down.  Tweets about Ozzie getting an interview came out later.   Some are now convinced it won’t be Espada.  But nothing of substance actually happened.  We still don’t actually know much of anything beyond a few names reportedly being interviewed. 

    Thank you for the clarification. So the Twitterverse is out of control...... I'm shocked! Seriously, I am surprised Sports Illustrated ran with it if they didn't double source it. So essentially nothing really happened today? 

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    White Sox Mgr Speculation Thread

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    I love Thome as a person and eventually a position coach and then leader. That said, of all the boxes Hahn listed in the presser, Thome checks NONE OF THEM!  I have to believe the Sox are trotting out all these red herrings so we will be satisfied with their ultimate pick. "Leaking" names like Thome and Getz perfume choices like Washington, Maddon and Shlidt when one of them gets picked.  

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    Your 2023 Off-Season Plan

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    11 hours ago, bmags said:

    lol this is the way we talk in October. By december we'll be pining for Benintendi because we will be targeting like Adam Duvall because Hahn wants to prioritize power and gets a RHH off a down year.

    The Sox have been pining for Benintendi since the Red Sox took him one pick ahead of us in the draft. We ended up with Carson Fulmer (yuk). That will be Rick's big signing and he'll ring it in like we just signed Fred Lynn. 

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    [RUMORS] Possible clubhouse drama information leaked?

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    4 minutes ago, Stinky Stanky said:

    Gordon's improving.  Don't tell me you don't hear it.  Also don't tell me that Stone isn't irritating in a different way. I'm neutral on Kasper, but he belongs on TV.  He's too terse for radio, sort of an Ed Farmer type. 

    Benetti too good to be confined to the lil' old White Sox?  How did guys like Mel Allen and Vin Scully survive?  Jason has got to decide who he wants to be.

    Hard not to improve considering how awful he was.  90% of his improvement comes from Jason drawing out his insight through asking him direct questions. Without Jason, he's toast. 

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    Will Abreu be a White Sox in 2023?

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    3 hours ago, Tnetennba said:

    No one should be untouchable after this s%*# show, but I sure don’t have any hope or faith in the idiots in charge to get it right. 

    Well JR'S mouthpiece has spoken. Don't want to trust this multiple championship roster to an unproven manager. Let's retread "old and safe". Don't hire someone that would demand upgrades to the analytics, scouting, development, and training staffs. Heaven forbid the new guy gets to hire his own coaches...... that would threaten guys like Boston and McWavin's lifetime appointments. Let's hire a guy like the former St Louis manager that will just be happy to have a job and take whatever the FO gives him. 42 years of incompetence and counting. 

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    [RUMORS] Possible clubhouse drama information leaked?

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    1 hour ago, hankchifan said:

    Not many Sox fans are watching in this photo.

    I'm hoping the Sox don't f$$$ this up too. Jason wants to be here and the vast majority of Sox fans want him back. This feels like the FO trying to save a few $'s and low ball him since he will miss a few games due to his Fox assignments. Virtually every really good baseball pbp guy has other gigs and their teams deal with it just fine. If the Sox f$$$ this up, get ready for Kasper and Gordo on the call. If that happens I'm watching the opponent's feed. Silence would be better than those two. 

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