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QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 13, 2012 -> 12:37 PM) Oh, ok. I guess local intelligence is completely unimportant for military operations in foreign countries. You sure showed me. That's NOT how they collect local intelligence. You sure showed me!

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 13, 2012 -> 12:37 PM) I know, that's what I was addressing--you're just restating your same position without actually addressing anything or explaining why it's such a STRETCH! GET ON BACK THERE! to assume that Afghanis will like the US military less when they see the US military pissing on dead Afghanis. I'm happy to see you've finally figured out how much you're stretching it.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 13, 2012 -> 12:35 PM) This is pretty much exactly wrong. Like, you can't get more wrong about local intelligence gathering in asymmetrical warfare. No, it's not pretty much exactly wrong, General SS. You are beyond your scope of understanding now, and you've just shown it.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 13, 2012 -> 12:34 PM) I've laid out a clear path of how this leads to lessened support, how that harms intelligence-gathering and how that increases risk and danger. It's a pretty straight-forward argument. You've asserted repeatedly that this will have no impact whatsoever because they're all just a bunch of crazy people anyway, external stimuli have no impact on their state of mind or opinions. You've laid out a hypothetical path to hypothetically lessened support. Nothing more.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Jan 13, 2012 -> 12:32 PM) Because you missed it. You are saying, it's fine that they blow up my countrymen into little bits of meat...but DAMN THEM TO HELLLLL FOR PISSING ON THEIR BLOWN TO BITS CORPSES!@#$!@#!#$@! BECAUSE OF THAT DAMN THE PAST, I'M JOINING THE TALIBAN, OR FORGET IT...I'M NO LONGER HELPING THE REST OF THE US MILITARY THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS INCIDENT!@#$!@ Change reflects the continue absurdity of your unprovable point. Now maybe you won't miss it.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 13, 2012 -> 12:32 PM) No, all you did was reassert your argument. You haven't really addressed anything yet. Actually, I added on exactly what you attempted to stretch reality into -- but you missed it -- again.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 13, 2012 -> 12:31 PM) "local people know s***" isn't an advanced concept. And it has nothing to do with who they'd gather information from. You don't just walk down the street General SS, and ask randoms for such information. Those that they have gathering this information for them aren't going to be swayed by such an incident...and it's beyond a stretch for you to suggest they would be.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 13, 2012 -> 12:31 PM) "local people know s***" isn't an advanced concept. Because you missed it. You are saying, it's fine that they blow up my countrymen into little bits of meat...but DAMN THEM TO HELLLLL FOR PISSING ON THEIR BLOWN TO BITS CORPSES!@#$!@#!#$@! BECAUSE OF THAT DAMN THE PAST, I'M JOINING THE TALIBAN, OR FORGET IT...I'M NO LONGER HELPING THE REST OF THE US MILITARY THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS INCIDENT!@#$!@ Change reflects the continue absurdity of your unprovable point.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 13, 2012 -> 12:30 PM) Nah, it's pretty clearly not the argument I'm making. It's the dumb strawman you and jenks keep throwing up. I've stated directly that my contention is that it will lessen support for the US military, not instantly create Taliban warriors. That is an argument of your own creation. I'd hate to be making the ridiculous-on-its-face argument that actions by foreign military personnel have zero impact on the level of local support they receive. Man, I'd sure look silly then. Too bad I already fixed my post to reflect that, and it's just as much of stretch.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 13, 2012 -> 12:24 PM) You keep ignoring key points for some reason. They may not ASSIST the US MILITARY because of it. Which, you know, is pretty f***ing important to gathering intelligence. Had no idea you knew such ins and outs of information gathering in the field, Colonel SS.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 13, 2012 -> 12:26 PM) No, you haven't done s*** to support your argument other than to assert it repeatedly. The claim that "video of offensive acts performed by US soldiers in Afghanistan will not have any noticeable impact on support of US soldiers in Afghanistan" is pretty extraordinary. And you've done even less to support yours.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 13, 2012 -> 12:23 PM) That is very, very, dumb logic. Good thing I'm not arguing anything really, really dumb like that. Iit's impossible to conclusively prove direct causality in this situation. That doesn't mean that the argument that "actions undertaken by a foreign army that are considered universally offensive have zero impact on support for said army in the foreign country" is equally valid. You ARE arguing something really, really dumb like that. You just did it AGAIN. You are saying, it's fine that they blow up my countrymen into little bits of meat...but DAMN THEM TO HELLLLL FOR PISSING ON THEIR BLOWN TO BITS CORPSES!@#$!@#!#$@! BECAUSE OF THAT DAMN THE PAST, I'M JOINING THE TALIBAN, OR FORGET IT...I'M NO LONGER HELPING THE REST OF THE US MILITARY THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS INCIDENT!@#$!@ That's the argument you continue to make. And it's really, really dumb.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jan 13, 2012 -> 11:51 AM) Are you just not thinking this through? How is it logical that you would accept your countrymen being BLOWN TO PIECES without some sort of negative reaction (from actually signing up to fight to just deciding not to help the US with information) but the additional step BEYOND that is somehow going to cause some kind of reaction? That makes no sense at all . Abu Gharib IMO was different since it was a systematic abuse of prisoners of war. This is three rogue soldiers doing something stupid and disrespectful to soldiers they killed. He's attempting to bury what you said now, because he cannot disprove it without tossing out "hypotheticals", which are, you know...hypothetical! You're right it makes no sense at all, because, well...it simply doesn't. Here's a hypothetical of my own. They broke into my house and killed my wife, but left my baby alive...so, eh, I guess I'll let this pass. After all, they were nice enough to leave my baby alive! This is simply dumbf*** logic. DUMB.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 13, 2012 -> 12:09 PM) solipsist. Oh, OMG, you've done it! You've proven your point! Only you still haven't. So let's resort to single word "clever" responses instead.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 13, 2012 -> 12:09 PM) It doesn't quite completely eat itself, but it is close! Only you're wrong. You've yet to shoot down my argument with anything reasonable that doesn't just leap to conclusions you cannot prove. You've yet to do it...because you can't.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 13, 2012 -> 12:06 PM) I'm angry with the terrible arguments you guys are making itt. My argument isn't as terrible as you'd like, that's the only problem. And since there is no way for you to possibly prove this will cost more lives, it's a nice argument for you to put up.

The reason why this angers SS and Balta so much is because they're hateful terrorists.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 13, 2012 -> 11:18 AM) Please detail how "really stupid bigotry" follows from "videos of US soldiers pissing on corpses will damage opinions of US soldiers and likely increase dangers in the region." Because it's ALL based on stupid. Getting mad at all Muslims because a few are stupid is...well, stupid. Getting mad at all US citizens or military personal because a few are stupid is...well, stupid. How you CAN'T connect such dots is beyond me. It's stupidity begetting stupidity.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 13, 2012 -> 11:22 AM) With this and his proposal to combine a few departments (commerce and something trade related), he's daring Congressional Republicans to block "common sense reforms" to make government "more efficient and more effective." right now the re-election strategy appears to be pitting him against a do-nothing Congress. He won't be running against congress in the election.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Jan 13, 2012 -> 11:12 AM) The big question is what will the punishment be? You can bet it will be a way over the top reaction to unsuccessfully try and placate the savages. You could literally and publicly behead these guys with a rusty hacksaw...and it wouldn't make a bit of difference. They'd still get "angreh" and blame the entire US population and every soldier that had nothing to do with it.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 13, 2012 -> 11:01 AM) Holy Jesus in heaven! Obama is trying to do something I agree with! [faints] Now do FinReg. Fixed. But he needs congressional authority to do it. Good luck with that.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 13, 2012 -> 11:05 AM) I don't think you can compare "a member of a racial minority murdered someone" to "members of a foreign military who have been occupying a country for more than a decade now and who the native population is not exactly thrilled with pissing on the corpses of their countrymen." I'm not saying that the violent reactions would be rational or reasonable. What I find absurd is the idea that it literally does not matter at all what US soldiers do, that policy and actions have zero impact because those crazy Afghans are just going to blow something up. That they are innately "hateful people" and that there's nothing that drives them to this hate. These hateful people hated us long before we went there...and before they hated us, they hated someone else...and before they hated that someone else, they hated Jews. War has been being waged there for thousands of years...but we're the problem?! And it's not just them, either...hateful people like that are all over the world.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Jan 13, 2012 -> 10:58 AM) So maybe we should hate all Muslims every time they cut off someone's head, or beat a woman, or marry a 12 year old. That seems to fit the logic. It fits their logic 100%, actually. But of course they'll deny it. Queue up goal post move in 3...2...1...

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Jan 13, 2012 -> 10:56 AM) Last president to have such authority was Reagan. Doubt he gets it.