RockRaines

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 11, 2013 -> 03:10 PM) Team wins the Big Ten, is ranked #3 nationally and because Zeller isn't going to be POY, Crean is to blame? I honestly dont understand your point at all. Are you saying he didnt have a disappointing year considering the expectations? I think IU overall underachieved even with the regular season title.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 11, 2013 -> 03:04 PM) 1.6% higher shooting percentage and 6 points a game without James Worthy around is drastic? Cody Zeller's shooting percentage went up 5.3% over last season. I really wonder how Brad Stevens would do with a historically middle of the pack Big 10 team. I think people would be dissappointed. He has a great gig at Butler. I bet Todd Lickliter wishes he never left. Zeller was the preseason NPOY favorite and isnt even in the conversation. I would say that he had a disappointing year for what was expected.

QUOTE (farmteam @ Mar 11, 2013 -> 03:02 PM) It was always great when you would see an 80 year old husband and wife stand up and cheer with the students. I think we have the best homecourt advantage in the country, and there's no way that's biased. Regardless of where it ranks though, you're right -- when you simply have that many students in an arena it's going to get loud. When I was there student tickets were $15/game. Regular seats were 40-60 I think; not sure. I do appreciate that the administration makes such an effort to make sure that a lot of students get to go to a lot of games. I've said many times I am jealous of that homecourt advantage. We have the largest stadium in the conference and the quietest fans. The games where this is no student section is about as loud as a 3rd tier HS game.

QUOTE (farmteam @ Mar 11, 2013 -> 02:09 PM) Oops, must have missed that. Well there you go Rock. Assembly Hall holds 17,420 I think. So 7800 students, 9620 non-students. Still fairly impressive. They make a lot less money on students so they are doing those kids a serious solid.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 11, 2013 -> 02:30 PM) The greatest player who ever lived had numbers that didn't drastically improve percentage-wise between his freshman and junior seasons. I wouldn't say Dean Smith was a horrible developer of talent. Indiana is hated. I get it. I don't like them either. But they won. They get the credit. People just sound like Cubs fans pointing out White Sox attendance when they want to discredit Crean. If I were an Indiana fan on here I would just tell all the haters, "you're right, he can't develop players and he's a horrible in game coach. Your guy is far better. Enjoy 5th place." He won the Big Ten. Just give him his due and move on. A college coach is the Coach, GM and Chairman of his team. For this season, up until now, Crean has been better than all the other Big Ten coaches if you base it on results. You are arguing a point with nobody. Slightly on topic but not really.

QUOTE (He_Gawn @ Mar 11, 2013 -> 01:56 PM) Logic has entered the thread. Amazingly, recruiting IS part of the coaching job. And with you logic left. Where is the post questioning his recruiting talents? Clearly recruiting is what just got him a conference title, nobody can debate that at all. I think it's funny how much he is defended on this site when your own fans are skewering him on your board weekly for the exact same reasons we are being critical. I still have yet to see why you think he's one of the best player development coaches in the country.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Mar 11, 2013 -> 01:50 PM) Didn't you guys want to see more growth out of Zeller? Didn't you want Watford to play better this year and not regress? Didn't you want Hulls to learn how to play defense for one game in 4 years at IU? As an equal opportunity hater, i'm just as unimpressed with Groce's ability to coach. I think Henry is the only guy that got better as the season went along. Everyone else has maintained (Richardson, Griffey, Abrams, Egwu) or regressed (Paul, Bertrand). He's not even in the NPOY conversation, some would call that a disappointment.

QUOTE (farmteam @ Mar 11, 2013 -> 01:49 PM) No. That's how many student tickets there are total; students don't have a ticket to every game, because there's too much demand. I'm not sure what the number of student allotted seats at every game is. I would believe anything between 7500-10000. But more than half each game? That's amazing.

QUOTE (farmteam @ Mar 11, 2013 -> 01:45 PM) How much improvement are you looking for? I'm not suggesting there was monumental improvement, but I think there's more than you're admitting to. Do you also believe he's well know as being one of the best player development coaches in the country? Because that was the statement he made.

QUOTE (farmteam @ Mar 11, 2013 -> 01:23 PM) Yeah, I don't have a problem with that rule (needing a student ID with a student ticket). You're right that that's what IU does. If that's all this was, then no problem. But hypothetically, a Michigan student wearing an Indiana shirt would be unacceptable? That just seems too...1984...for my tastes. Plus, if we didn't allow that, we would never get an aerial picture of a full Memorial Stadium, since they only take those when we play Ohio State so everyone is wearing red. Even half the student section wears Buckeye gear for those games. Here's to eternally hoping Hoosier football isn't such a doormat for much longer.... There's no group in the sense that not ALL of the students are in one section. It's confusing, because there is a large mass of students behind the left side basket, and on the nearside lower left level. That looks like our student section, because it's big enough to be one. But that's only a small percentage of all the student seats. The rest are up in the corners of the lower level where it seems the balcony is about the fall down on you, and then scattered all over the balcony itself. The tickets do rotate every game. My freshman year (of my four years, that was by far our best team [the DJ White/Eric Gordon/Sampson's Debacle team]) I only had seats behind the basket or in that near lower level section for about 4-5 of the 15 or so home games. The rest were in random seats, or we didn't have tickets (that year, it was every student had tickets to every game except for two, which were randomly selected for each group of ticket holders). So yes, you don't have tickets to every game -- so, for the sake of this conversation let's say Assembly Hall has 10,000 students seats. There might be 12,000 student tickets, but 2,000 of them aren't there on any given night. A quick Google search couldn't give me any specific numbers on the student section, but I know at least IU's are out there somewhere, and I assume other schools' are as well. I'll look more later. EDIT: Looks like IU has 12,400 student tickets this year. Wait. So you only have roughly 5k non-student tickets?

QUOTE (He_Gawn @ Mar 11, 2013 -> 01:33 PM) B1G fans can turn a blind eye with their Crean hate and say Crean can't coach or develop, but it's a huge reason he's racking up huge recruiting classes right now. Each kid keeps pointing to "how he develops players", Vonleh especially. We get it. Everyone hates Crean outside of IU and MSU fans. Indiana used to have a coach that everyone despised too. As long as Indiana is winning, doing it the "right way", and kids are awesome off and on the court, IU fans are going to be estatic. So, your evidence is? I don't believe he's top 3 in the conference. Prove me wrong.

QUOTE (He_Gawn @ Mar 11, 2013 -> 12:18 PM) Stevens grew up a huge IU fan. His father played football at IU and his mother went there too. Won't matter, Crean is a recruiting machine and one of the best "developers" of talent in the country at this time. He isn't going anywhere anytime soon. They'll be consistently in the top 20 for however long he is there. Next year will be a "down" year, but a down year now includes an NCAA birth, top 5 B1G finish, and a chance to make some noise in the tournament. Wait. What makes him one of the best developers of talent in the country?

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Mar 11, 2013 -> 12:04 PM) Jenks, Crean isnt a great X/O coach. The scary part is that if Indiana ever got rid of Crean they could possibly get a guy who would be devastating (Brad Stevens). Im just hoping they hold onto Crean long enough that Stevens already has a big time job. Crean is clearly holding them back if you take into account the talent level of this team and the results this season. I think you'd find quite a few IU fans that feel the same.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 11, 2013 -> 11:47 AM) I'll grant you shouldn't do that on the cameras, but I think even a Michigan fan would guess that there was something else that precipitated that reaction other than what happened 4 years ago, so we're probably only getting 1/2 the story. But Hell, I also really don't mind anyone on that staff being called out, screamed at, or anything else. That includes the people who hired that blankety-blank and then failed to monitor him. So yeah, it looks bad on TV, but I'm not going to be mad for him getting called out. If nothing else...anyone who wants to hire that guy as their head coach in the next couple years might surreptitiously put in a call to Crean and see what it was about. To me I think it was classless and wrong and unbecoming of a head coach. If in 4 years Urban runs up to Bollman, Beckman or Hazell and yells they ruined the program I would hope nobody would have his back. Even outside of how classless it was, what a whiny b****. Focus on your team that pulled out a win in the last 40 seconds. Crean's blow by Matta earlier in the week then this? Ridiculous.

QUOTE (Rex Hudler @ Mar 11, 2013 -> 11:27 AM) I don't think you can ever call a season a failure if a team doesn't win the title. The Final Four is just too competitive. That said, I would be very disappointed if IU doesn't make the Final Four, but I have enjoyed this team a lot this year, even with the few disappointments. As far as Crean, I don't much care what others think from the outside looking in. I like him and hope he continues to be IU's Head Coach. As far as yesterday, who knows what has been said between Crean and Meyer. The bottom line is, Michigan can say they win with class, but they did hire a guy that was central to all of the BS that happened at Indiana under Sampson. That doesn't mean he shouldn't be hired anywhere, but it should be no surprise if he is one of the last guys Crean wants to be social with. I'm sure there was a lot of emotion yesterday, with the game ending the way it did, clinching the title outright and the journey that it has taken to get to that point. Yes, he should have controlled his emotions, but it happened. So what. Time to move on and win some more games. So You are ok with his actions yesterday? As far as Meyer being "central" or "at fault", IU hired Kelvin Sampson, whoever hired him ruined the program.

QUOTE (farmteam @ Mar 11, 2013 -> 08:37 AM) Just a quick follow up... Crean called Meyer to apologize. There are also rumors that Meyer told Crean to go f*** himself during the handshake line, but those are of course just that -- rumors. Rumors probably started on an IU board. If you win the outright conference title you don't do what he did. He's lucky they pulled that out yesterday otherwise it would have been a pretty large fail of a season. All that talent returning and that "unreal" recruiting class got him exactly one more win.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Mar 10, 2013 -> 04:21 PM) There isn't even anyone I feel comfortable picking to the Final 4. Conference play is so misleading too. It's going to be a s*** show.

What a choke job.

QUOTE (Jake @ Mar 8, 2013 -> 10:04 AM) Interesting, maybe I'll survive 6 years of being at a competitors' school. You'll be fine. I would go to Michigan for grad school, but I would wear a ton of scarlet.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 7, 2013 -> 06:01 PM) If it was anyone else than IU, no one would even be talking about it in the first place. Eh, people were laughing at MSU last year, especially UM fans.

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Mar 7, 2013 -> 05:57 PM) Doesn't matter, the program certainly has had the success. I;m just saying, they cant act like they've been there before because they really havent, or even lived through it. Its like a new beginning and they needed to hang their hats on that success.

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Mar 7, 2013 -> 12:18 PM) You're IU, act like you've been there before. If they lose early, actually any earlier than the FF, I'm pretty sure most IU fans aren't looking back favorably on the 2012-2013 Hoosiers. Were any of those kids even alive last time they cut down nets?

Really good deal for the Sox if his arm doesnt explode

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Mar 6, 2013 -> 04:40 PM) I could care less about the speeches, long, short, good or bad. But yeah, cutting down nets, wearing championship hats, and getting the trophy after that? That's silly. Two things come to mind. 1. IU had no backup plan in case of a loss and 2. They've forgotten what winning is like so much that they forced themselves to go through with it because they want to celebrate anything and everything. Yeah, its clearly for the fans at the game. I had never attended one before, it seemed really long to me but thats probably by design. For example he spoke about every member of his family that was there. I'm sure its a great event for those kids, especially the ones who were there through the s*** times.