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QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Sep 19, 2007 -> 01:53 PM) Yes I did. I am going out of my way to make you miserable with all my posts. And fyi I watched a partial clip of the video so I didn't see if they pulled him into the hall or another room. I still stand by my thoughts that they used excessive force. This wasn't the middle linebacker from the Florida football team they were dealing with. The number of cops I saw in the video should have easily been able to handcuff this imbecile. Let me tell you something, from experience. This guy looked somewhere in the area of average to slightly larger than average. Say, he's 6' and 200. Taking a guy like that out of a room, through people and chairs and other nonsense... when he is flailing his arms and legs, swinging at you, then eventually becoming dead weight... is not easy. And it doesn't even necessarily matter how many officers there are, because once you get more than about 3, the others are little help. Also... a taser is a non-deadly weapon that does not cause any permanent damage. If it was difficult to get him into the cuffs, would you rather they had used a baton? PR-24 maybe? How about OC Spray, so that everyone around could get sick too? Heck they were trying to use arm locks it looks like, but if you take those too far the wrong direction, you can break an arm. Or maybe they take his legs and drag him kicking and screaming along the floor - how would that have gone over? The use of the taser was probably the least harmful thing they could have done in that situation. And that is the standard to live up to - they should use that level of force necessary to affect arrest. I think they did that.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Sep 19, 2007 -> 10:31 AM) It's not misleading. The people of the City of Chicago are looking at paying an 11% sales tax rate. The people of Cook County are not looking at the rate, because there are people who are not in the City of Chicago, who will not be paying that rate. The residents of Cook County who are outside of Chicago, will not be paying the City of Chicago portion of the sales tax. Also true. I changed it again - I think we have it covered now.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Sep 19, 2007 -> 10:46 AM) Depth is probably the most dramatically changed. More stories to begin with. Hundreds more reporters, hundreds more sources. Way more stories. Stories stay in the news for weeks, not a day or two. That's not depth - its breadth, which is the opposite of depth.

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Sep 19, 2007 -> 12:46 PM) Did it all take place in the same room? They didn't pull the kid into the hallway? I didn't see the video. That's just it - he wouldn't leave. Go to CNN, they have a link to the actual, full video.

QUOTE(jasonxctf @ Sep 19, 2007 -> 10:00 AM) mods/admins, topic subject should read.. Cook County looking at a potential 11% sales tax rate. unless we want to mislead people?? Good catch. Done.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Sep 19, 2007 -> 10:03 AM) More willing to expose wrong doing, not willing to look the other way. Yes. Unless of course there is something shiny and loud the other way. QUOTE(Texsox @ Sep 19, 2007 -> 10:03 AM) Digging deeper. No way - not even close. Depth has been abandoned in favor of surface-level treatment. QUOTE(Texsox @ Sep 19, 2007 -> 10:03 AM) Able to build on each others' work more efficiently. In some ways, yes.

QUOTE(juddling @ Sep 19, 2007 -> 09:55 AM) well....it's ok though cause Daley will bring in the Olympics and that will solve everything.....LOL This isn't Daley - its the county. This is what we get for having yet another Stroger running the county.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Sep 19, 2007 -> 09:33 AM) http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=l...&id=5664018 Holy crap - 2.75 point increase? You know, I was willing to be OK with a .25 point increase, specifically for mass transit, which badly needs the funds. but 2.75 percent for the freaking COUNTY? You've got to be kidding. And this isn't for things like schools either, which are covered by property taxes - this is the absurdly bloated county administrative agency. I can't believe they have the audacity to think that 2.75 points is no big deal either - that is an enormous rise in taxes, all to just one layer of government.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Sep 19, 2007 -> 09:24 AM) Instant pictures from around the globe. News getting reported in seconds or as it happens instead of hours or weeks later, I'd say current network news is far ahead of a generation or two ago. Technologically, yes.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Sep 19, 2007 -> 09:28 AM) He deserved to get arrested. We expect the police to exert the amount of violence necessary to accomplish that goal. When the efforts of the police greatly exceed what is necessary, we reign the police back in. At the minimum it seems there should be an investigation. Which is already underway. And I agree that there should be, given the nature of the incident. Just to make sure.

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Sep 19, 2007 -> 09:27 AM) Was the taser necessary? http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/10/12/...ain648859.shtml Have you watched the WHOLE video? Its on YouTube I think, and elsewhere. Not sure that CBS clip shows it all. It wasn't necessary at first. But the kid resisted, repeatedly, wouldn't leave, tried swinging at the cops, tried the dead body routine, etc. Finally, when he just wouldn't budge, they tasered him so he could be cuffed and removed. I think its a judgement call, but I think the cops did what was necessary to get him in cuffs so they could get him out of the room.

I was wondering when this would get posted. What's funny is, if you just read the news stories about it, you get the impression this kid was just asking some tough questions, then suddenly the cops grabbed him and tasered him. But if you watch the video of what actually happened, you see what an asshole this kid really was.

Ozzie now saying that not everyone on the current coaching staff is guaranteed a job in 2008.

QUOTE(Rex Kicka** @ Sep 18, 2007 -> 11:12 PM) Actually, that's not been true for a year. In the last couple weeks, Olbermann has been climbing to within 50,000 viewers of O'Reilly in the 25-54 demo, and actually beating the Fox juggernaut in the key advertising demos for the first time on September 7. Although, O'Reilly is still showing total viewership more than double that of Olbermann, Countdown is averaging nearly a million viewers a night at 8PM, about two years ago - Olbermann was lucky to see 400,000 viewers a night. You can put me solidly in the "I'd rather watch neither" camp.

QUOTE(mr_genius @ Sep 18, 2007 -> 08:28 PM) The media was cheerleaders as long as the Democrat party supported the war, once the Dems turn so does the MSM. This is exactly why I was saying earlier that we get the media we want. Notice something about this fact you point out? Its correct in its essence by the way - media showed a lot of positive stories pre-war, and since is more negative. Guess what? The American public's opinion of the war follows that same trend. That isn't a coincidence - it is a market economy for news organizations. They generate the stuff people will read. Its not that they coincide with the Dems - its that they coincide with the current mood of the public.

Best part about Floyd tonight - I saw he hit 88, 89 and 90 on the gun... from the stretch. That is a first, in the games I have seen.

QUOTE(mr_genius @ Sep 18, 2007 -> 06:48 PM) What am I talking about...?? I've replied to atleast 30 posts from you about media bias, you should know "what I'm talking about". I know you aren't this dense. And no, the MSM does not attack ALL candidates equally, not even close. The magic (D) will get you off 90% of the time. Only the most spectacular or grievous of offenses are covered. Also, your posts contradict themselves. In another thread you admit to a left bias in the media, but when you post here you claim no bias. OK, two things. One, I said almost the same or the same. And I'd agree the MSM tends a bit left - even showed a graph. But I really do mean a little bit. Your claim that the magic D gets them off 90% of the time seems ludicrous to me. Two, I asked what you were talking about because you leapt from criticism of candidates to unfair political attacks on them, which wasn't what I was talking about. Clinton getting grilled isn't an attack. And let's look at the two stories we discussed today... Clinton's health plan gets articles on the front page of CNN.com where numerous people cite their criticisms, and she responds. Thompson is quoted for not knowing about the Everglades, which gets a much smaller mention and if you read the text (not the post), its just matter of fact statements. Seems about right, yes? Clinton is the bigger target right now, so she gets more follow. And I can't tell you how many times we've read in the MSM about the mistakes of Edwards, Obama, etc. Probably even more so than the GOP candidates, in fact.

QUOTE(mr_genius @ Sep 18, 2007 -> 06:38 PM) What and where? Examples please. You think a legitimate look at a major change to health care shouldn't be looked at? How is talking about Clinton's health care program some example of a unfair political attack? Of course it should, and of course its not an unfair attack. What are you talking about? They attack ALL the candidates, and as far as I see most of the time, they give equal B.S. to both parties or very close to it.

QUOTE(mr_genius @ Sep 18, 2007 -> 05:42 PM) "Ohhh, this report wasn't biased, I'm just lazy." I call BS on that. How come they are always "lazy" when it comes to a hit job on the GOP. You rarely, if ever, see a "lazy" report trashing a Democrat. Are you serious? Look at the main page for the news sources. Clinton announced her health plan, and today its criticisms of it. That's what happens.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Sep 18, 2007 -> 05:19 PM) What I am saying is these games mean squat. To win a job with the White Sox based on what you do in September would be a mistake. I am thankful KW knows it. Floyd pitched well against a depleted Detroit line-up and pitched well against a Cleveland team that has a comfortable lead in the division that got to bed at 6AM on a long rainy night in Chicago. They probably weren't too fired up about playing the last place White Sox. You kill me, man. What the heck does that even have to do with Freddy Garcia? Was he auditioning for a job with the 2007 White Sox? No. He had one or was going to be traded, but he sure wasn't auditioning. Nor is he 25, or just breaking in to the majors, or in any other way comparable to Floyd. And we all know it doesn't matter to you if Floyd goes out and pitches yet another good game, because in your view he sucks and will never get better. Got it. Thankfully, KW and most baseball folks realize that players are not all static, which is the main reason he is getting these starts (the other being a possiblity he is traded, but I doubt that). Why else, do you suppose, they are sending him out there? I don't even think Floyd is that good - but I can see the obvious fact that he is getting better. I now think he may even be a serviceable 5th starter, if he keeps this up in his last couple starts. My eyes are not completely clouded by my previous assessments.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Sep 18, 2007 -> 05:09 PM) Freddy Garcia looked pretty good last September. I'm sure you are trying to make a point here, but I can't tell what it is. Are you saying Floyd is also suffering from some sort of injury? Or that we are going to trade Floyd this offseason? Or that Floyd is also related to Ozzie in some way?

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Sep 18, 2007 -> 05:07 PM) You mean you're not Fred Thompson? Yes, Captain.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Sep 18, 2007 -> 04:02 PM) ok... that sound about right to me. Personally, I think that's dangerous. $80K for a household is NOT rich... no way in hell... and that always concerns me. If you double that, and start looking at the lifestyles of people who make that kind of money - now you start seeing the results of that kind of money. Yeah, I agree. If you increase the tax on cap gains and dividends for people above 75 or 80k income levels, you are disincenting the very people who are in the flexible middle of the investment base. The people who make between 80k and 200k are going to often be the people who invest some, but not a ton, and who would might be very sensitive to higher tax rates on the returns. I think its very dangerous to raise those taxes in that spectrum.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Sep 18, 2007 -> 03:25 PM) Fixed it for you. I've been looking at media from an unbiased standpoint and I now agree with the GOP. The media is in the liberal back pocket. An unbiased standpoint? And you changed your mind in like 10 minutes since your last post?

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Sep 18, 2007 -> 03:19 PM) Rabbit= Finding someone to take the whole Contreras contract. Williams does that, it makes the off-season so much easier. That would be one hell of a rabbit. Great. Now I have White Rabbit stuck in my head.