StrangeSox

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jan 16, 2013 -> 07:29 PM) You have to end the hoax at some point. bad timing it to do it before becoming a pro athlete.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jan 16, 2013 -> 06:36 PM) Yeah, but there is a difference between him roping his dad into this AFTER he realized he was a schmuck and had been exaggerating about his online girlfriend to everyone (perhaps he actually never met her, but made those parts up because he didn't want to admit that she was just an "online" relationship), or if he and his family deliberately set out to create this hoax from the beginning. I'm not sure which to believe. This is where I'm at

It would make them temporary labor in exchange for meager benefits. The city/state would lose skilled and experienced employees with a career in exchange for temporary labor making little money. And where is the finding for these public projects going to come from? It isn't free to run an operation.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jan 16, 2013 -> 05:36 PM) Jeez, have none of you ever heard of women who scam guys for money? Hard to do when you supposedly die.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jan 16, 2013 -> 05:22 PM) And really my position on this is that it's not a problem that conservative policies can fix either. It's an individual/community based problem that government cannot - and will never - solve. When you grow up in s***ty neighborhoods with s***ty parents, it really doesn't matter if your check every week is 200 bucks or 2000 bucks. You need the knowledge and the desire to get out of that situation and live on your own and government will never provide that. Government is a community working together through democratic means. Plenty of other countries have more robust government programs and much less economic stratification and poverty problems. You want kids to have knowledge, start with better schools and better funding for them and other educational and outreach programs.

Making them temporary means eliminating them for those who haven't been able to miraculously escape poverty. Requiring public works employment eliminates jobs that would otherwise be paid positions if you're not talking about a massive jobs program expansion. Which I would be down with. BTW this is the problem with prison labor, too, the prisons can seriously underbid private competitors.

Eliminating public housing, healthcare and food security will motivate the poors to finally get off their lazy asses and take one of those jobs none of the Job Creators can fill.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jan 16, 2013 -> 05:06 PM) He paid a girl to pretend that she was interested in Te'o so that Te'o would get closer tuiasasopo as a friend. Then when Te'o is at his weakest moment (Grandma death) take away girlfriend leaving teo only with tuiasasopo to rely on. Thus tuiasasopo becomes Te'o's confidant and best friend. This would be a pretty classic con. Te'o supposedly met her family. Did he con that, too?

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 16, 2013 -> 04:57 PM) You mean like North Dakota? The Native American population is stricken with poverty - mostly due to no incentive to work due to government subsidies to the Native American people - but non-Native American poverty rate is incredibly good, taxes are low, cost of living is low, and unemployement is also extremely low. The situations in NA communities across the US are complex and are largely the result of generations of the way they were treated by various governments.

What con was he running, though? The "girl" "died" already. RT would have had to front money for a supposed trip to Hawaii for some random girl. What's he getting out of this?

I wonder if the fact that almost all of the economic gains of the last 4 years, something like 93%, have gone to the top 1% has any impact on poverty??? Weird that the Job Creators have all of this money and yet people still got no jobs.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Jan 16, 2013 -> 04:49 PM) That big bolded word up there is the key. Sadly it isn't true in most cases, hence the problem. Yes, generational poverty is a problem. Generational poverty is not caused by "government dependence," however. It's strongly tied to various socioeconomic privileges and disadvantages outside of an individual's control.

ugh not that dumb meme that's in your avatar

QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Jan 16, 2013 -> 04:37 PM) If my girl died, I wouldn't care what was going on. Wouldn't he have talk to her family after the game I don't buy his bulls***, but that's the stated reason.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jan 16, 2013 -> 04:35 PM) It's generational and never ending. Poverty is generational and nearly impossible to escape when you struggle to even put food on the table and a roof over your head on a daily basis. The answer isn't to make the life of the poor even more difficult.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Jan 16, 2013 -> 04:37 PM) They also ran a budget surplus in 2012, unlike Illinois, and most other states. At the expense of a s***ty education system, s***ty infrastructure and poor people suffering.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jan 16, 2013 -> 04:33 PM) Far fewer services for a whopping 4% difference in rates. Again, clearly just spending more/providing more is the problem. No, you're misunderstanding. Cutting Medicare, for example, doesn't make people not-poor. But it does mean that people who aren't poor are going to have even less access to health care. There's a lot of problems, none of which many people even acknowledge exist because they believe poverty is mostly the result of merit or lack thereof, that there aren't institutional problems of race, gender and class.

QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Jan 16, 2013 -> 04:30 PM) Wouldn't have Te'o gone to her funeral? he claimed that she didn't want him to miss a game.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jan 16, 2013 -> 04:20 PM) I have no clue. All Im saying is if I was Deadspin id have been a little bit more cautious. Id have run the article, but Id have led with a disclaimer that its based upon research and opinion, and that other evidence may arise to vindicate Te'o but at this moment with the information we have this is our conclusion. deadspin did. it was in the article.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jan 16, 2013 -> 04:30 PM) Poverty rates in Texas vs the U.S. via Texas provides very few services for those in poverty as well.

What we have is a weak safety net that's barely sufficient and underfunded social services to help people get out of poverty. What we don't need is to gut what little we have.

I say we need a stronger social safety net and better education because I believe those are the correct policies. I'm not surprised that our current systems are inadequate. It is a shame that crooked and corrupt democrats keep getting reelected, but that doesn't mean I want republicans running things.

Why don't you "vote with your feet" and move to one of those glorious, poverty-free, self-sufficient conservative-run states? Also plenty of people question poverty, the efficacy of existing programs and the possible need for new or different ones all the time. What a lot of people don't do is say "welp, we tried! oh well, let's cut taxes and give up."

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