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    Samardzija Trade Packages

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    QUOTE (Lemon_44 @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 09:56 AM)
    For all of this KW bashing and trading away prospects, who has he traded away that amounted to anything of significance? Gio Gonzalez is the only player that comes to my mind. Here's the recent deadline trades abd I don't see anything alarming at all. Maybe I am missing some trades but I don't see the Sox giving anything up of significance over the years.

     

    2008: Griffey for Nick Masset and Danny Richar= nothing trade

    2009: Acquired Peavy for Poreda, Rusell, Clayton Richard and Dexter Carter= good trade

    2010: Edwin Jackson for Daniel Hudson and David Holmberg= nothing trade

    2012: Brett Myers for Matt Heidenreich and Blair Walters

    Francisco Liriano for Eduardo Escobar and Pedro Hernandez= I do that trade everyday even though Liriano didn't fare all that well in Chicago.

    2013: Peavy for Garcia, Montas, Wendelken, and Rondon too early to tell but looks promising.

     

     

    THIS, is why I don't want to rush to trade Shark. What we get back for him doesn't necessarily have the promise to be anything at all. So if I weighing options here I'm weighing the chances of a return on trade vs a sandwich pick is a greater than the return of keeping Shark when we are 4.5 out of a WC spot.

     

     

    My How Things Have Changed in 4 Days

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 12:30 PM)
    No we're not. We were ALL convinced last week this team wasn't going anywhere, Shark (or perhaps Quintana) needed to go, and this organization desparately needed a significant return to help improve this team's future.

     

    Now four days have past and we shouldn't be sellers because of the Indians series?! It's so ridiculous and shortsighted that I fear that the FO thinks similarily. They're too cowardly and afraid to admit their vision for a playoff team failed miseralbe. Hahn should be not be waiting until the conclusion of the Boston series, even if the team happens to sweep them. This is NOT A PLAYOFF TEAM. Have people not been aware of this historically terrible offense? Or it's record against contending teams?

     

    I hope they do sweep Boston. It'll test how much courage our front office has to do what's right. After they would inevitable cave and keep Shark, we could then all sit back and watch the White Sox finish around 82 wins for the season. After Shark leaves, we'll have the same offense, same front office, but one supplemental round pick!

     

     

    I agree with some of this post. ALL is too all encompassing. I don't think and haven't thought that we need to trade Shark or Q once. I'd consider trading Shark if the return was strong enough - but in my opinion there is not much certainty that the return we get for him midseason would be any better than the sandwich pick. IMO this team probably is a 82-85 win team. That's not a reason to blow it up. We need to make improvements at some positions, though we do really have the building blocks for the infamous 3 year run. If we are seriously considering a three year run, or even a run next year, what DEFINITELY needs to change?

     

    Well from my thoughts: 3B and Catcher. Those are the two big ones. We can't keep expecting to win seasons with people like Mark Teahan, Fields, Keppinger, Morel, Beckham, Gillaspie, Saladino, etc. at 3B. So somehow that has to be fixed. And to me, that's the #1 goal. Secondly -- Catcher. Not as important. Anybody who isn't named Flowers is an improvement. Also, you look around the league, it's not exactly a stacked position. So some improvement there would be nice. I think that the middle of the infield can be left in tact for an additional year. OF as well. Though somewhere I'd like an upgrade between LaRoche and Garcia. Re-sign Shark. Rodon develops more. Danks to the pen or gone. And fill the 5th spot with EJohnson or a flier for a year. That's a team in the MLB parity world that can compete, and then who knows what happens.

    Tulo to the Jays

    in Pale Hose Talk

    Posted

    QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jul 28, 2015 -> 12:01 AM)
    Not saying we are going to do that, just thinking what the Rockies will want to try and do (get a SS prospect)

     

    I haven't read the following pages after this post yet, but the Rockies have a some real top prospects at SS. Also don't see Reyes sticking there because of this.

    7/27 White Sox @ Red Sox 6:05 CT

    in 2015 Season in Review

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    QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 27, 2015 -> 09:35 PM)
    Unrelated, but I LOVE how the Red Sox are struggling this year. Serves those annoying fans right. "DUDE WE GOT HANLEY, KUNG FU PANDA, AND AMAZING PROSPECTS! 100 WIN YEAR!" East coast teams in general overrate their washed up FA acquisitions and prospects so much.

     

    I have a feeling we kind of did that if you read our board in the winter .. LaRoche! Melky! We're going to score so many runs!

    Samardzija Trade Packages

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    My thoughts? What's the worst case scenario? We keep him, we don't do well, don't resign him and get a sandwich pick? I'm okay with that. There's no guarantee if we trade that we get an impact player either. I've been as hard on the Sox as anybody and don't think we'll get to the playoffs or win more than 83 games or so, but, the kicker is that last spot in the Wild Card. I'm counting the Astros/Angels spot gone already. Almost like hockey, all it takes is to get into the playoffs and you never know what will happen.

     

    Very least, let's wait until the deadline to trade him. Not going to happen before his next start hopefully, so let's play out this series.

    The Teams in Front of us in the Wild Card

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    I know we just swept the Indians and had the first glimpse of a functioning offense all year and we are thrilled with this. HOWEVER, is this not exactly like the Sox to go into a series against the BoSox where you have good pithcing matchups and against a team who has lost 9 of 10 (going into today) and somehow lose 3 of 4?

     

    I hope everything works out and we win 3 or 4 this series.. but I've been burned too many times to expect more than a split.

    The Teams in Front of us in the Wild Card

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    The way I look at it let's just call the divisions locked up. Angels, Yankees, Royals. Then its Wild Card.

     

    Astros landing Kazmir is huge. That hurts us. Twins are next in line. They just "acquired" Ervin Santana in a way. Their team probably does falter a bit. Still.. we are 6? back of them. That's not that simple. The rest of the teams I'm scared of in order are:

     

    Toronto, TB, Detroit.

     

    Just don't see us getting it done. Twins and Toronto go on 3-4 game losing streaks? Maybe I'll get excited again.

    Attendance 2015

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    QUOTE (My_Sox_Summer @ Jul 24, 2015 -> 12:31 PM)
    I have heard that too. I just went to Camden last year, the upper deck is very much like the Cell. Lower Level is very similar too, just no tiers. The outfield though, dang, we missed on that one. Their set-up is pretty nice.

     

    I live in Bridgeport. My mortgage will show that it is hardly a ghetto. I maybe make it to Cork and Kerry a couple times in the off season, but not that much. I hardly go out, but they seem to be kinda busy on the weekends. ChiSox is closed unless there is a game. I just don't think the neighborhood would support a new crop of businesses down there at all. And that is why no one opens anything. I would also doubt people would utilize it enough to make it worth their while, cause that would involve some extra effort.

     

    Has anyone not gone to ChiSox because it is too packed (sans opening day)? I doubt it. A decent beer is a whole buck less than the park at ChiSox, anything that would be in that area is gonna be the same price as the park for the most part. I can see places getting built and fans complaining about the prices and not going. If ChiSox was busy all the time, you'd see more things get built, but there doesn't seem to be a need. I also hardly doubt that a huge influx of people would come to more Sox games based on post game entertainment. Especially during the week. If we had more weekday games, maybe, but as it stands, most folks just wanna get home. If you wanna hang out, ChiSox is right there.

     

    It comes down to winning. If we win, all is cured. Until that happens, enjoy the extra room and cheap tickets. I am.

     

    This - It's just not viable to open a bar/restaurant/entertainment in Bridgeport right now that can be supported by ChiSox traffic -- and probably ever. We just have to hope that 15-20 years from now we get it right. 15-20 years from now may even be being generous. The stadium itself is still nice, (I will say after going to other ballparks, my opinion has greatly changed -- Royals is the only place I like less) so convincing tax payers (most likely) to pay for a chunk when you have a stadium that is still viable, may be tough.

    De Aza Traded to Orioles

    in Pale Hose Talk

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    im Red Forman. I dont like dumbasses. Ha. Or people who bring up a thread a year later supporting de Aza like he was something more than a 4 of.

     

    Glad to see alexei hit a homer today. And melky. And eaton. All while de Aza goes 0-3. And soto 0-3.

    De Aza Traded to Orioles

    in Pale Hose Talk

    Posted

    QUOTE (shysocks @ Jul 23, 2015 -> 03:59 PM)
    Yeah that about sums it up but I'll play along. Except for the part about the tie game bottom 9 runner on third situation because that changes the type of hitter you need up and I'm talking overall, best hitter.

     

    Alexei - No. In no way. Not even really at any point in his career.

    LaRoche - Toast? Hurt? Even his effectiveness against righties is eroding. Nope.

    Eaton - Close. Needs to be hitting more grounders because the power is probably a flash in the pan.

    Melky - Absolutely, unless this power outage is the new normal for him.

     

     

    I'm glad you put Garcia in the same category as De Aza, because he basically does all the dumb s*** people hated De Aza for.

     

     

    a) How does it change your answer being bottom 9, tie game, runner on 3rd? There are two outs. The infield isn't in. The outfield isn't playing shallow. Are you talking clutch statistics then? No for Alexei? I should stop here because now I know your IQ. Not very high. If you are talking right now? Alexei in July? he's batting close to .300. You talking the last 7 days? De Aza is batting .182... You talking career? 9th inning for Alexei is .262. De Aza .235 You talking tie game? Again Alexei .276, De Aza .257 ... do I need to say more? To I need to compare more career stats? You just want to use this year? This month? I'm sure you'll find an arugment to why you are right.

     

    b)LaRoche - if you want to use the "right now" argument -- go ahead. He looks like Adam Dunn lately. I won't even fight this one. I'm taking the guy who has produced over the past decade. Not the guy who's been released 2 times in 6 years.

     

    c)You didn't fight Eaton very much, we both know you'd rather have Eaton up there.

    d)You agreed with me on Melky. So much for the 90% comment that you stood by a few posts ago.

     

    I dont have any more time to waste on this argument. Look who you are arguing for! A guy who was traded for a bag of balls and released in the last 12 months! This is my last on this topic and responding to you - however I'm sure you'll respond and try to bait another response - it's what you do.

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