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4 hours ago, fathom said:
Been watching Madrigal last few days. Way too much soft contact, as he's not getting his front foot down in time. Until they get him stronger and make mechanical changes, he looks like those shortstops from before the steroid era where you could knock the bat out of their hands.
This post is not going to be popular around here.
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57 minutes ago, kitekrazy said:
His defense at times reminds me of Josh Fields. Makes me wonder why they drafted him.
Remember Hostletter is on record saying he would have taken Collins with the first pick.
It probably won't happen as long as JR is owner but one day in the great future the Sox might actually clean house and hire some competent people.
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7 hours ago, SoxAce said:
The kid grew up in rural Texas so I'm not surprised by these tweets. Safe spaces, looking at things through an equity lens, and reading Dan Savage and Ta-Nishi Coates isn't really happening there.
The only thing that really matters is that this kid turns into a stud pitcher. The guy isn't a hero. He is just a dude who can throw a baseball really fast.
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2 hours ago, bmags said:
That's awesome. I was in front of the bullpen for Rodon's first appearance. He was all over the place and then proceeded to have a terrible inning. Very anti-climactic compared to Kopechs
I was at Rodon's debut as well. Extremely anti-climatic as he came out of the bullpen and started walking everyone. I think Sox Killer Ryan Raburn had like 5 RBIs that game.
Rodon and Kopech will hopefully turn into a nasty one-two punch at the top of the Sox rotation!
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1 hour ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:
I thought you were the guy that loved the long ball and didn't care about strikeout rate? e.g., Nolan Gorman
By the way, your guy Albies is dropping like a rock since his hot start. Down to 107 wRC+ for the season and dropping FAST. 576 OPS in August. That must be concerning.
Nolan Gorman is 18 years old and only a level below Madrigal. Gorman may be in the Show long before his 21st birthday. I would take him in a hearbeat over Madrigal right now but that ship has sailed.
Albies is 20 years old and two years younger than Moncada lol! In what world is a wRC+ of 107 bad? Have you seen Moncada's wRC+?
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https://deadspin.com/white-sox-prospect-yoan-moncada-eats-up-to-85-twinkies-1793613366
Just found out about this article from Spring of 17. The guy was eating 85 twinkies a week as a multi-multi millionaire professional athlete? I understand that he was a young man just arriving in a new country, but he is far far from your average "joe" and has financial priviledges that most of us will never come close to having.
That kind of behavior should have set off some alarms and served as a red flag about the kid's work ethic.
Also, the quotes from Keith Law about Moncada's hit tool have been very accurate some 18 months later. Moncada has to learn how to adjust his hitting approach and cut down his K rate. His 2018 has been worse than his 2017 and that is very alarming.
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Little Nicky with no triples or homers through the first 32 games of his professional career.
Hostletter and company know that is not against the law to select high schoolers in the first two rounds of the draft, right? Do the Sox even scout high school players?
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1 hour ago, Drwhoo1 said:
What does that even mean? Have we been keeping him down for so long? Tell me how long we’ve been keeping him down? That is a ridiculous statement. They weren’t going to keep him down more than this year so your saying 2 years is keeping them down forever. Wow!
It means Kopech has been down in AAA for a full calendar year and has put up numbers that show he is ready for the big time. There is no need for him to be in the minors anymore.
Do you still think he should be in Charlotte? If so, why?
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19 minutes ago, NWINFan said:
What doesn't change the fact, that outside of Rodon, you don't have a major leaguer in the rotation right now.
I really think the Sox are going to go out and sign an arm this offseason. Similiar to how the Cubs ponied up for Lester while they were still rebulding.
2019 should be the make it or break it year for Giolito and Lopez. Let's hope that at least one of them turns into a legit back of the rotation arm.
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Hopefully bringing Kopech up means Shields is either in the process of being traded or DFA'd. This guy has no future with the Sox. It is well past time for him to go away.
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4 minutes ago, TaylorStSox said:
Uh, nobody said to "hide him in the minors forever." That's what we call a strawman. I care, man. I care because there's value in an extra year. I care because it looks like a waste of value for no reason other than placate the annoyingly vocal shortsighted side of the fanbase. There's no logical reason to waste a year of service time for a team 32 games under .500.
It's the way you phrased it man. It sounds like you are concerned that the Sox are gonna lose a top 50 prospect 5 years down the line when the Sox are trying to trade Kopech ala the Sale deal.
The prospect hoarding and teardown part of the rebuild are ovah!
Some of us would like to see a competitve Sox team within the next few years. Bringing Kopech up now and getting him some mlb experience moves the needle towards that.
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6 minutes ago, TaylorStSox said:
How much value is that extra year worth? A top 50 prospect? It's such a weird and bad move.
Who cares man? The kid looks ready for the Show and that is all that should matter. You can't hide these kids down in the minors forever.
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5 hours ago, NWINFan said:
Lack of durability would be the only reason so trade Rodon. But if the Sox would have such worries, other teams might, too. So what kind of marketability would Rodon have?
The teardown is complete. If these prospects are so damned good, promote a few in 2019 and see what they can do. In the meantime, you can't keep trading away the few major league caliber players you have.
As far as when the White Sox will be good? I don't think anyone can answer that.
Well said and it looks like Mr. Hahn heard you lol. Kopech will make his mlb debut on Tuesday! Hopefully Eloy is up soon as well.
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The problems with this organization are systemic and run far deeper than the manager.
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1 hour ago, Lip Man 1 said:
I don't think anybody relishes the idea of trading Rodon, especially if he realizes his great potential and turns into a star pitcher. But the reality of his situation is this...as long as Scott Boras is his agent, the odds are tremendous he will take him to free agency. That's his M.O...his job is to get as much money as he can for his clients.
Now take into account the Sox are one of three teams (I think) that have never given out a nine figure contract, if Rodon starts to blossom he very well could command that on the open market. The Sox can't put themselves in a position where he walks and they get nothing for him.
Now the joker in all this is that who knows who will own the Sox around he time he becomes a free agent. It could still be JR, it could be someone else. If it is someone else all bets are off, the situation could be radically different.
The other factor is the overall state of the rebuild. I was hoping the Sox would make a big improvement in 2019, contend for a wild card in 2020 and get really good in 2021. That could still happen if the Sox are aggressive this off season but with all the injuries to key minor league prospects (and who knows what will eventually happen with Dunning and Hansen) their development has been stunted, time has been lost that you can't get back.
I'm thinking now 2020 for when they make a big leap in the win column, 2021 when they contend for a wild card and 2022 when they should be good.
Just my opinion. I honestly hope though the time table gets speeded up, when you are about to have your 6th straight losing season (last time 1944-1950) and ninth losing season in 12 years (last time that bad of a stretch 1968-1980) with everything else impacting the franchise (poor TV ratings and a new contract coming up, attendance, lack of media coverage, Cubs success in the same town and fans wondering about the ability of the front office to successfully execute the rebuild) you can't go forever and expect the fan base to still be there.
Good god man. Go back and look at the articles around the time of the Sale and Eaton trade. The Sox front office was talking about this organization being a team to reckon with in 2019/2020. Now the window is supposed to start in 2022? If that is the case, then just avoid the inevitable and fire Hahn and company now.
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17 minutes ago, BlackSox13 said:
When Hansen played at 23 ( Moncada's current age) he had a wRC+ of 35. At 24 last season between the Pirates and Sox Hansen's wRC+ was 59. Thank you for pointing out that despite his struggles, Moncada is better than Hansen was at 23. And Moncada has much more talent.
Alen Hanson is a scrap heap player who signed for 90K. Yoan Moncada is a guy who got a 40 million dollar signing bonus and a former #1 prospect in all of baseball. On paper, Hanson shouldn't even be close to sniffing Moncada's jock but baseball is a crazy game.
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2 minutes ago, soxfan49 said:
You said pitching prospects are ticking time bombs in another thread earlier today. Now you’re hesitant to trade a pitcher who has shoulder issues. Which is it, man?
Rodon isn't a prospect anymore. Any player is tradable if the price is right, but Rodon is finally starting to look the guy we all expected him to be. You gotta fill out a rotation somehow.
This thread is more about the state of the rebuild. The fact that people are seriously discussing moving Rodon means that things are moving quickly in the wrong direction.
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13 minutes ago, BlackSox13 said:
Going by the comments in the Moncada thread the Sox would do well to get Hanson lol.
Moncada wRC+ of 90
Hanson wRC+ of 106
First step is to get robot umps. Next step is to play baseball based on projection and ZIPS.
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14 minutes ago, TaylorStSox said:
If you can trade a high risk pitcher for 2 or more top 50 prospects, you always do it regardless of what stage of a rebuild you're in (unless he's truly elite). I like Rodon. I don't like Rodon's shoulder.
What if you move Rodon for two top 50 pitching prospects ala the Eaton trade?
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6 hours ago, thxfrthmmrs said:
It’s about whether Padres are a good org or not, it’s the fact that Sox are heavy if positional prospects but you fail to see it. Aside from the Braves, Yankees and Astros also are top heavy with pitching prospects, these are 3 of the best run orgs in the league. So your self-hating comments don’t fly here.
The Braves got Acuna and Albies. Those two dudes making the Show look like Williamsport.
The Yankees got Torres and Andujar both making hay.
The Astros are the defending World Series Champions.
Come again on how the White Sox are anywhere near these 3 franchises?
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24 minutes ago, spiderman said:
Carlos Rodon could be a potential gauge for how the White Sox feel about competing next year (and beyond).
They have a 3 year window with him. Within that window, health will be a very large . risk and as the window begins to close, his future with the White Sox will begin to become a focus.
If next season is another year of watching young talent develop (or not develop) at the major league level, Rodon's 1st of a 3 year window is probably lost.
Realistically, next season, will be the first full year of their bigger prospects, and there's not guarantee that we won't continue to see more Fulmer type development from our top level prospects. Next season, assuming they don't make any any major league free agent splashes, this team is going to struggle. This is going to be a 90 loss team even with some improvement.
If the White Sox can land 2 top 100 prospects for Roden, do they move their last large piece? That's going to be very interesting question. My initial guess is that the White Sox are going to keep Rodon, and start getting their top level prospects to the major league roster in early April.
How is Rodon their last large piece? What about Abreu, Avi, Sanchez, Shields? None of these guys have any future with the White Sox.
Abreu should have been moved a long time ago. Let Davidson, Skole, or Casey Gillapsie play first until Gavin Sheets is ready. Same for Avi. Give the playing time in Right to Cordell, Leury, and Tilson.
DFA Shields and promote Stephens or Jordan Guerrero.
The Sox are giving way too much playing time to guys who do not factor into their long term plans.
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3 hours ago, BlackSox13 said:
The Sox will never again be good at the mlb level. As assets developed they will be traded for more assets to maintain a perennial top three farm. The rebuild is perpetual and a never ending story, but a happy one. In time Sox fans will morph into shiny happy people holding hands singing kumbaya and eating smores around a campfire talking about how great it will be when the evil gargamel sells the Sox to Mark Cuban. So buck up little campers because every little ting is gonna be alright.
I can dig the sarcasm. However, the situation that you describe has played out in the past with other franchises. First we move Rodon before the 2021 window ,and next thing you know we are worried about moving Moncada before the 2024 window closes cause the guys you got for Rodon are "still developing".
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He should be batting leadoff every game and Anderson should be batting second. These two are the cornerstones of the Sox infield for the next 6-7 years and should be getting all the at bats that they can handle.
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The idea of trading Carlos Rodon this offseason has been floating around these parts and others lately and it makes little sense to me. The kid is finally starting to put it together and is under team control for 2019, 2020, and 2021. Why in the world would you want to trade him now for more prospects? Does this sound crazy to anyone else?
The Sox are past the teardown stage of the rebuild. The rest of this year and next should be developmental years but the Sox should be trying to get after it in 2020 ( year 4 of the rebuild). Carlos Rodon should be in those plans and will hopefully be an anchor at the top of the rotation.
Whenever someone is critical of the Sox rebuild, people love to preach patience and point to the success of the Cubs and Astros. Well, the Cubs and Astros certainly didn't trade away any of their young cost-controlled future studs during the early parts of their rebuild.
A trade of Rodon would signal that people are cool with punting away the 2020 and 2021 seasons. That is not cool with me and I'm sure other Sox fans feel the same. This year and last have pretty much sucked and I don't want to sit through 3 or 4 more years of garbage baseball. Let's forget about prospect hoarding and start moving in a winning direction!
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8/24 Games
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It is completely unrealistic to think that all these kids will hit their ceilings. The odds say that half of them will flame out and never reach the bigs.
Luis Robert and Nick Madrigal have hit zero home runs this year. You can make up excuses and spin this however you want but zero home runs from two of your top prospects in Late August is a cause for great concern in my opinion.
Also, Gavin Sheets going in the second round was a huge reach. An advanced college bat like his should be hitting for way more power.