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59 minutes ago, Highland said:
Don't invest too much emotion into a team that hates its fans.
This is exactly it. The fans who are angry were once the same ones who believed enough to actually emotionally attach to the point of getting burned for trusting so much. The frequent burn has now turned into anger. They were the die hards who stuck by the team through much more thick than thin. It’s their money that was wasted when they were the ones who received big fat middle finger after big fat middle finger from the owner.
Now they get called out when a win puts their team at 5-22 as though those same people didn’t support them through all the losing seasons. Instead, the voice of the Sox essentially says, “We’re 5-22 now—you should have believed in us! You lost faith and got mad after getting burned by our lies for decades on end, now look at us flying high at 5-22—we don’t need you!”-
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7 hours ago, tray said:
Our new pay-by-play announcer enjoyed some time in the outfield concourse getting to know us and the park. After watching replays, I liked the way he called out WSox haters during Benintendi's walk off HR. It was about time someone did it.
IMO, calling out the fans after moving from 4-22 to 5-22 just further alienates them. They’re 5-22 and all of a sudden the angry fans get called out as though they’ve been wrong to be upset about this team who is nearly on track to be the worst team of all-time? Classic Jerry’s White Sox. It’s always good to see a win. But how about we save the call out for when they win at a 70+% clip from here on out and actually accomplish something—then continue that accomplishment year after year proving again that they care about winning and the fans.
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42 minutes ago, Quin said:
A few more notes:
- Korey Lee would be in AAA if Stassi hadn't gotten hurt
- Nastrini, Quero, Bush, Leasure, Batista, Carela and Lee are Rick Hahn's parting gift, so thanks Hahn! Eder we give to KW.
- Chris Getz to this point has shown he has no fucking clue what he's doing, let alone on an accelerated timeline like JR promised.
- He's making panic move after panic move in a lost year and they are compounding, leading to more panic moves.
- At this point, I want to see Sheets in CF for the lols.
Yes. The rate in which the bad decisions are happening would cost a High School Athletic Director a job. It’s completely stunning to see this happen at the Major League Baseball level (or any pro sports team).
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1 hour ago, pcq said:
The team has been mismanaged to the point of being worthless and non-competitive at the MLB level. Time for a change.
Yep. They are conditioned to not only losing but justifying losing. They have devalued winning and become non-competitive as a result. Rewards are given (continued involvement/employment) despite habitual underachieving and habitual losing. Long leashes are on individuals who have zero history of success or even recent accomplishment.
From a fan standpoint—what is left to buy or consume from the Chicago White Sox at this point? They have no product and can’t even sell “hope.” “Remember when we took things seriously 30 years ago” only gets you so far today.
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8 hours ago, Milkman delivers said:
Nothing will increase the ratings. These last few seasons have done irreparable damage to this team that I’m not sure ownership fully understands yet.
Exactly. This is bigger than the team on the field—the brand has been completely destroyed beyond repair. This is a product of not a few bad decisions, but decades of bad decisions. The Sox logo—once endeared—literally angers people now. It’s a symbol of total betrayal as far as baseball and sports “fanship” goes. I do not believe ownership/upper management understands either. We’re still throwing the Nicky Lopez’s of the world at this problem.
No one respects what this organization has become. It’s built on endless spins and elusive narratives that turn out to be blatantly false—straight lies. Because of this—any possibility of positive intent is met with disbelief. It will take decades of sustained success to rebuild what these people have done to the White Sox brand.
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On 4/15/2024 at 9:56 AM, Highland said:
Things are really bad when the only speculation is how awful the team will be. This is not a MLB roster.
Best part of the Sox not being able to hit baseballs is we don’t have to watch much of the super dumb HR celebrations that teams do to desperately try to appeal to fans. Such a strange time for MLB—all those acts are ultra awkward. I don’t mind genuine emotion after a big moment & I understand a handful of people might find the grossly immature HR side shows amusing—for me it got old fast and the game is becoming unwatchable. I watch these same guys slobber all over each other after a HR skit then proceed to ineptly fiddle fart around defensively the following inning like a bunch of amateurs. Let’s have fun in a way that keeps focus.
The moment this team accidentally connects on a long ball and tries some goofy adolescent mosh pit ritual in the dugout that’s only funny to them (as if HR’s are a regular thing)…I’m out.
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45 minutes ago, GreatScott82 said:
Let’s not forget Pedro was the manager of last years circus 🎪 He was the man in charge of that locker room of dysfunction. Because Jerry wanted to save a few pennies, he gets to stay in charge this season? WOW. That’s dogcrap. Getz has already saved Jerry millions with his roster destruction. Fire his ass and let’s move forward.
I think it will ultimately hurt Getz if he doesn’t. By not firing him, he’s already communicating to the organization that results don’t matter. Not just losing, but performing poorly is “OK” now “in the big picture” way. That is why their culture has been in the tank for so long. Hahn and Williams justified SO MUCH LOSING, going through repeated tanks and rebuilds.
Justifying losing for any reason—whether it’s to tank or save money, whatever it may be, is difficult to get back. The person who justifies it is usually the person who has to leave before winning matters to everyone again. To think a team conditioned to justify losing for someone for so long will just all of a sudden be able to win for that same person is nonsense.
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7 hours ago, ChiliIrishHammock24 said:
For those freaking out about Thorpe, a Padres fan said their their stadium gun has been off by 4-5 MPH this spring. That would make Thorpe's reported 88-89 MPH fast yesterday actually like 92-94. That's a lot more in like with what he's been.
Also another note on Thorpe, Fangraphs actually things Thorpe will be better then Cease in 2024 given a similar amount of IP.
I don't think this trade was a fleecing, but I think it was realistic and fair. Of course we loved to dream on fleecing one of these clubs but the closer we got to Opening Day, the more risk involved in holding Cease until July. I'm satisfied with this move even if they decided to diversify their risk across 3 good prospects vs just getting 1 headliner and a couple of throw ins.
A multi-BILLION dollar industry and they can’t get a working radar gun for Spring Training?
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They might not get on base.
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Had we signed Yonder Alonso we might have had a better shot at Whit.
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I hope he gets another chance to pitch in some meaningful games. His competitiveness needs fed!
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2036 is the year we get him.
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We’re going to need designated hitters for most of our position players.
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13 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:
Time for the Yankees to nut up and offer us Jones, Hampton, & Vivas or Cashman will risk joining Hahn in the unemployment line next off-season.
I just also hope this deal doesn’t lower the bar as far as returns are concerned. “Burnes only returned “x” so we’re not going as high on Cease…”
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1. I would have been pissed if this was the return on Cease.
2. This might force NYY or BOS hand.
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1 hour ago, The Mighty Mite said:
With this bunch, it’s easier to build a stadium.
Probably right! Or it makes it easier to sell a team…”sell the rumor, buy the news.” Time will tell I’m sure.
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Maybe they should build a team before they build a stadium?
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1 hour ago, oldsox said:
Not true.
Ok good. It was in this thread that I was instructed to believe that great players are NEVER blocked. Maybe that just meant great Orioles players are never blocked! 😂. It only happens to the other mortal teams!
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10 minutes ago, WhiteSox2023 said:
The Dodgers were smart and dealt their older infield prospect with nowhere to play for a promising 19 year old pitcher.
I was once told that great players were never blocked. I’m looking forward to seeing the O’s start multiple players at certain positions on any given night.
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52 minutes ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:
I don’t think those asks are unrealistic. I’m guessing that the issue is the rest of the package.
Agreed. You want a young, cheap, team-controlled TOR starting pitcher with ace potential to step in THIS YEAR? That’s a big ask—who wouldn’t want that?? Converting some prospects that are stuck behind layers of MLB depth—who have about a 10% chance of becoming as good of an MLB contributor as Cease—is a no brainer. Deal should have been done in November.
If the Sox were knocking on the door of a serious contending window—watched a division-rival team land another superstar player and SP depth this offseason, had a young player with major star potential at both left side infield positions and more infield strength in the system, were sitting on a starting pitching staff of 2 quality options and some big question marks a month away from pitchers and catchers reporting…who here wouldn’t be willing to keep Colson Montgomery and move a package led by a guy like Jacob Gonzalez to land a Spencer Strider/Zac Gallen for the next 2 years?
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If the Sox were smart—they wouldn’t go after any players from Baltimore and instead try to acquire the guys in charge of drafting and developing Baltimore’s prospects. That would likely pay off more in the long run. Give a guy a fish/teach a guy to fish…
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33 minutes ago, JUSTgottaBELIEVE said:
Orioles fans won’t like this but I believe Cease’s value right now is comparable to Luis Castillo in July 2022. The Reds landed 3 of the Mariners top 5 prospects (1 was fringe top 10 in mlb, 1 was top 100 in mlb, 1 was fringe top 100 in mlb) and then a lotto prospect. I don’t think Cease will land a top 10 prospect but 2 in the 50-100 range and 2 in the 100-200 range is certainly possible.
Yeah I mean not to over simplify it—but there are 2 paths to acquiring a TOR SP who can immediately step into your rotation. You can commit to a 9-figure contract to snag a top FA or you can throw a similar value in prospects at it instead. Either way—the cost to obtain what Cease is, is very high and there’s no way around that. It is what it is.
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As I look at these dreadful signings, the one thing that keeps playing in my head is Jerry justifying the Getz hire as being the fastest path back to relevancy.
Fedde, Flexen, Stassi…we have a literal “FFS” class of additions that give us a look into what Jerry considers “relevancy.”
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9 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:
And this is where you guys and other fan bases have it wrong.
A consistent theme we have seen is people saying, well just trade Mayo or Basallo because “you have other guys”. It’s like the people who say billionaires should pay a higher percentage of their money for taxes because “they can afford it”.
Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should.
And the other part to this is that Cease just isn’t good enough for that level of player. He can be but in 4 of his 5 years or, if you want, 2 of the last 3, he hasn’t been worth it.
If you “shouldn’t” trade them, how else would you handle great MILB prospects that are blocked at the MLB level for at least the next half-decade?
Fire Pedro Grifol
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Exactly. Why not? It’s not like if you cut ties with Pedro now other teams will be knocking at the door for his services. Say he miraculously finds a way to manage his kid’s little league team to a .400 win %—giving you hope that he has the shot at sniffing a .300 win % in the big leagues down the road…you can pick him up again with zero competition at pennies on the dollar if the new guy isn’t cutting it.