yesterday333
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3 minutes ago, scs787 said:
I kinda hate this question, because I like Madrigal and think Moncada should stay put, but didn't the Sox play Vaughn at 3B a bit in ST? Could the logic be Vaughn at 3B with Moncada moving back to 2B.
Maybe move Timmy to RF and Madrigal to SS?
That's A LOT of shuffling but it seems possible. In the end though, now that I think about it, that only makes since if McCann is brought back or they insist on keeping EE at DH.
Do teams ever really do such wholesale changes?
Yuck... that would make defense worse at every one of those positions.
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Too bad he didn’t explain what “it works” means...
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2 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:
You let Dunning stick around to give up a couple runs and you got the same people screaming that RR is an idiot or that you're an idiot . Not saying you are just you don't have fans here who see it any other way than their own and anyone who disagrees is an idiot. I love intelligent discussion and welcome opposing views but if you can't do it in a civilized way without throwing around insults and vastly proclaiming your way is the only way to look at it I can't deal with you. SO thank you for disagreeing in a more than welcome way .
Exactly. Both ways could’ve worked and both could’ve fallen apart. But either way people were gonna blame RR for it falling apart. Haha there is a reason I don’t post very often cuz I don’t like how a lot respond to differing opinions.
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1 minute ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:
Oakland tried to get innings from Fiers too and left him in to give up a run in 2 innings with 5 hits and its should've been more runs. Fiers is a vet, a guy with 2 career no hitters I think. They got 2 very shaky innings from him . Dunning is a rookie coming off TJ suregry with very limited exposure MLB hitters . The Sox didn't have anyone like Fiers . All they had was a bunch of rookies and Marshall and Cordero. Who wanted to see Cordero or Rodon start ? No one .
I don't think everything had to go right to win . But everything going wrong means you probably don't win. We got too little too late from Cordero and Colome and hitters leaving way too many on base in the last 3 innings and really throughout the game.
I would have let Dunning go til a couple runs were given up or around 3 innings. I also would’ve used Bummer later. Alas we still probably should have won the game with these things going wrong (the injury and under performing). I didn’t hate the plan but I would not have used it.
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6 minutes ago, JoshPR said:
What's the love affair with joc?
That’s just my prediction. I think we sign him and he platoons with Engel. I also think the ifa we sign being Cespedes or Colas will be the long term answer. I don’t love or hate Joc but he fits the need.
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2 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:
So you would have preferred Dunning staying in the game in a do or die game because you were confident he gets that 3rd out and doesn't give up a run and put the Sox behind from the get go ? Maybe you didn't like that 72.4 % win win probability way after Dunning was removed and the Sox held a 3-0 lead in the bottom of the 4th ?
Ok maybe you prefer instead the Sox started Heuer or Foster. Tell me how that would ve gone. Once again you can't. Face facts it was a meltdown from much more reliable arms than Dunning that led to the Sox loss and most of all Crochets injury. You keep thinking you're some baseball expert and so will I but some of the smarter minds on this website happen to agree with me.
There was a game plan and they stuck to it with good results until the Crochet injury threw everything out of whack. You then needed some of those good pitchers to perform and they did not. Players not performing up to standards they have established is not the fault of the manager. Hitters failed, pitchers failed and got injured. You don't win giving up as many walks as the Sox good pitchers did. This was not my game plan . It was the Sox and I said at the beginning of that post you could disagree with that thought process but it was working until Heuer gave up the 2 run HR and all the bad from Rodon , Foster and Marshall helped along by a catchers interference from a batter who seems to be good at getting them. It is not panicked or little league thinking. It's doing what you have to do in a situation that warrants it.
Fine you disagree with the thought process. It does not make you right and everyone else an idiot.
That was very well said. You and I disagree on this topic too. RR followed the plan to a t. I disagreed with the plan. Everything has to go right for it to work but I can see why it was the plan.
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My prediction is we sign Bauer and Joc and bring back Colome. And crazy probably won’t/can’t happen prediction we sign both Colas and Cespedes.
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8 minutes ago, ChiSox1917 said:
What was the rangers asking price? Havent seen anything credible regarding what they were asking for
Nobody in the league was willing to meet the price... should tell you something. But only Hahn is an idiot for not meeting it I guess.
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It was the plan before the game started. I can almost guarantee it wasn’t RRs plan. Lots of smart people agreed with the plan. This is not RRs fault for following the plan.
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2 minutes ago, fathom said:
They had no faith in any of their young starters, and I don’t blame them for how they finished the season. The Sox best chance of giving up a minimum number of runs was getting their main pen guys involved. It just didn’t work due to the injury unfortunately.
I think you are expecting too much to go right in this case. What if the rookie comes in and lays an egg and walks 3 or 4 cuz of nerves? Just give Dunning a couple more innings. But I don’t blame RR cuz this is what most people thought we should do.
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12 minutes ago, Perfect Vision said:
I'm surprised the decision to pull Dunning has turned into such a focal point for fans. IMO it was the right decision. Crochet came in and got out of the jam. The Sox loss has much more to do with Crochet's injury, Heuer giving up a bomb, Foster not being able to throw strikes, and many missed opportunities with RISP than it has to do with the Dunning decision.
All of those reasons are why you don’t do a bullpen day. When things don’t work out exactly as planned it puts you in a big hole. I don’t blame rr for it but I really thought it wasn’t a good idea and everyone here was all for it.
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I think they should talk to the players about what they think of him after the collapse of the last couple weeks. Did the players give up on him? Do they think it’s his fault? Was it him who sucked the fun out of the team? I don’t have the answers to these questions but if the players don’t wanna play for him anymore then fire him.
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We ran into exactly why you don’t do a bullpen game. One injury and a couple guys off their game and we run out of pitchers. I was against the bullpen game the whole time but this is exactly what most the board was saying to do the whole time. Pull Dunning at the first sign of struggle. I would not have gone that route but most people here had already stated that is what they would do.
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If I recall correctly when they experimented with robo umps in some random league the batters said the zone was bigger vertically but smaller horizontally then they are used to.
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Basically there is very little real manipulation of the strike zone according to the rules.
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3 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:
he posted the rule, but the zone is as describe when you're swinging - so standing relatively straight up. Even bagwell popped up at contact; impossible to swing thru without lifting up.
It’s not while swinging it’s when prepared to swing...
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1 minute ago, Harold's Leg Lift said:
Conspiracy theory: MLB canceled the game because they want to be assured of having at least 1 game played tomorrow.
Or they want the game as prime time....
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3 minutes ago, gusguyman said:
This is already in the rules. Per the definitions section of the MLB rulebook:
"The STRIKE ZONE is that area over home plate the upper limit of which is a horizontal line at the midpoint between the top of the shoulders and the top of the uniform pants, and the lower level is a line at the hollow beneath the kneecap. The Strike Zone shall be determined from the batter’s stance as the batter is prepared to swing at a pitched ball."So if you can swing in an exaggerated crouch, that is your strike zone. But if you crouch and then pop out of it to swing, the strike zone would not be affected by the crouch.
Haha so a way to cheat this is to wear your pants low... it would drop the top level of the strike zone(not by much though)
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3 minutes ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:
There's no difference; crouching is not supposed to change your strike zone.
I honestly don’t know this... what is the definition of the strike zone?
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18 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:
That's especially tricky when you have a guy like Tim moving up in the box to try to catch pitches before they break or sink too much or get them while they are still higher since curves sliders and sinkers from a good pitcher all have late break downward.
Well where the player is standing shouldn’t effect the strike zone... it’s over the plate no matter where you stand. But standing up and crouching down can make it taller and shorter depending...
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12 minutes ago, CaliSoxFanViaSWside said:
Stepping into the box for creating a strike zone doesn't work if sensors are doing that. There's a difference between when you walk into the box and your batting stance. Ricky Henderson hit from a crouch and got a lot of walks because of it. His strike zone would have been much larger if it was based on the actual height of his knees and upper body . It's also difficult to gauge if lets say the hitter stays at the back of the batters box a pitch with sink might be at the knees as it hits the front of the plate but below the knees by the time it reaches the batter. Many times those types of pitches are strikes but catchers end up catching them really low and they look like easy Ball calls to us at home. Every player may have to be brought in and told to take his normal batting stance and make sure its not much different than it is on film and then measure the height of his lowest and highest points on his body that are considered strikes. Players will definitely try to cheat an auto ump by trying to make their strike zone smaller that's why players need to be measured ahead of time and double checked against how they normally bat.
That box on the TV during games we see now isn't all that accurate. I've seen plenty of batters where the top of that box is below the waist of the hitter especially on Madrigal. I doubt that the lowest and highest point are adjusted much during the game but it should be just for a more accurate assessment of balls and strikes for the announcers and fans who rely way too heavily on it. I think the width is ok since that cannot change since its based on the width of the plate but the height of the lowest and highest strikes should change from batter to batter.
Also when does the strike zone finalize? When the pitcher starts his motion? When the ball is released or crosses? When the batter gets in his stance?
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Also to be pointed out is that I would bet teams like the cubs yanks red sox and dodgers get more calls for them then everybody else. Just like how the nba gives calls to the stars. The game should be as fair as possible and not left to human guessing.
And to having technology replace your job, do you use any technology in your job? That probably took somebody’s job... we should get rid of all computers... can’t have technology doing our jobs for us.
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3 minutes ago, flavum said:
I love a good conspiracy theory, but Renteria is just a baseball guy that has 80s and 90s leanings.
That’s what I actually believe... it’s just an idea I thought I would throw out there...
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Random thought and I don’t think I believe it... but does RR favor Hispanic players over white guys? I mean so many bad decisions seem to reflect that. Playing mazara over Engel, sending down Mendick and keeping Yolmer, batting EE over McCann, ever pitching Cordero, even the way Collins has been handled. But its probably just an old guy stuck in his way of managing baseball
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Why was Dunning pulled after 15 pitches?
in Pale Hose Talk
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Can we stop with the panic button stuff? It was the plan. My guess is the team knew the plan. Nobody was panicking. You can argue that you don’t like the plan but this was not being scared. I didn’t like the plan but I knew it was coming. It didn’t work. But it is not because of in game decisions. Knowing the kind of manager RR is, this probably wasn’t even his plan. He was just following it.