bjmarte Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 ESPN Article Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 Not much of a suprise really. Carlos Lee will not be dealt, KW thinks he can resign him on a 4 year $20 mill deal. Nice to see em bashin da Twinkies ova the Stewart signing as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 Not much of a suprise really. Carlos Lee will not be dealt, KW thinks he can resign him on a 4 year $20 mill deal. Nice to see em bashin da Twinkies ova the Stewart signing as well. Well, its true. The signing of Shannon Stewart by Minny...a team that is largely considered to have the biggest cash-monger owner in baseball, just makes NO sense. You spend al lthe time to develop your talent in the minors, because you aren't a big market team, then you let them leave so that you can sign a guy in Stewart who only played 2-3 months for you, and has NEVER been real solid in terms of arm strength or power. Makes no sense, but thats fine by me being a Sox fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 Well, its true. The signing of Shannon Stewart by Minny...a team that is largely considered to have the biggest cash-monger owner in baseball, just makes NO sense. You spend al lthe time to develop your talent in the minors, because you aren't a big market team, then you let them leave so that you can sign a guy in Stewart who only played 2-3 months for you, and has NEVER been real solid in terms of arm strength or power. Makes no sense, but thats fine by me being a Sox fan. Apparently all of this talk of Stewart being the piece that turned the season around for the Twins has gotten to everybody's head up in Minny and on ESPN as well. Let's put things in perspective for a minute. Sure, Stewart played great after he was dealt to the Twins, but he isn't the single reason they won the division. All of the talk of him getting MVP votes was totally ridiculous. How about just accepting the fact that the Twins pitching threw a lot better down the stretch than they did in the first half of the season and some of their key offensive guys got hot. It wasn't all Stewart. They overpaid for him and next season I don't see him having the huge year they are expecting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 Well, its true. The signing of Shannon Stewart by Minny...a team that is largely considered to have the biggest cash-monger owner in baseball, just makes NO sense. You spend al lthe time to develop your talent in the minors, because you aren't a big market team, then you let them leave so that you can sign a guy in Stewart who only played 2-3 months for you, and has NEVER been real solid in terms of arm strength or power. Makes no sense, but thats fine by me being a Sox fan. I don't see what it was a bad move..... It looks like it boils down to the Twins liking Stewart more than Jacque Jones. Odds are they move Jones and they are happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 You got it, ABoz. here are Stewarts stats career-wise: SEASON TEAM G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG AVG 1995 Toronto Blue Jays 12 38 2 8 0 0 0 1 8 5 5 2 0 .318 .211 .211 1996 Toronto Blue Jays 7 17 2 3 1 0 0 2 4 1 4 1 0 .222 .235 .176 1997 Toronto Blue Jays 44 168 25 48 13 7 0 22 75 19 24 10 3 .368 .446 .286 1998 Toronto Blue Jays 144 516 90 144 29 3 12 55 215 67 77 51 18 .377 .417 .279 1999 Toronto Blue Jays 145 608 102 185 28 2 11 67 250 59 83 37 14 .371 .411 .304 2000 Toronto Blue Jays 136 583 107 186 43 5 21 69 302 37 79 20 5 .363 .518 .319 2001 Toronto Blue Jays 155 640 103 202 44 7 12 60 296 46 72 27 10 .371 .463 .316 2002 Toronto Blue Jays 141 577 103 175 38 6 10 45 255 54 60 14 2 .371 .442 .303 2003 Minnesota Twins 65 270 43 87 22 0 6 38 127 25 36 3 4 .384 .470 .322 2003 Toronto Blue Jays 71 303 47 89 22 2 7 35 136 27 30 1 2 .347 .449 .294 I just don't see why you give him 6 mill per, when you let guys like Pierzinski walk. And please realize, it takes me a good 10 minutes to get those stat posts lined up the way I want them!!! I'm a perfectionalist, sorry! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 You got it, ABoz. here are Stewarts stats career-wise: SEASON TEAM G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG AVG 1995 Toronto Blue Jays 12 38 2 8 0 0 0 1 8 5 5 2 0 .318 .211 .211 1996 Toronto Blue Jays 7 17 2 3 1 0 0 2 4 1 4 1 0 .222 .235 .176 1997 Toronto Blue Jays 44 168 25 48 13 7 0 22 75 19 24 10 3 .368 .446 .286 1998 Toronto Blue Jays 144 516 90 144 29 3 12 55 215 67 77 51 18 .377 .417 .279 1999 Toronto Blue Jays 145 608 102 185 28 2 11 67 250 59 83 37 14 .371 .411 .304 2000 Toronto Blue Jays 136 583 107 186 43 5 21 69 302 37 79 20 5 .363 .518 .319 2001 Toronto Blue Jays 155 640 103 202 44 7 12 60 296 46 72 27 10 .371 .463 .316 2002 Toronto Blue Jays 141 577 103 175 38 6 10 45 255 54 60 14 2 .371 .442 .303 2003 Minnesota Twins 65 270 43 87 22 0 6 38 127 25 36 3 4 .384 .470 .322 2003 Toronto Blue Jays 71 303 47 89 22 2 7 35 136 27 30 1 2 .347 .449 .294 I just don't see why you give him 6 mill per, when you let guys like Pierzinski walk. They let AJ go because of Mauer obviously, but then again, what's the rush to deal him before the season. If I was the Twins, I would have moved AJ to first base and gotten rid of Mienkiewicz. AJ's a better player if you ask me, plus he is a guy that opposing teams just hate going up against because of his attitude. I actually admire Pierzynski and the way he plays. Anyhow, the stats pretty much speak for themselves on Shannon Stewart. He's just not that good to be able to justify that salary. And it's not like he's done anything outstanding in his career except "carry" the Twins down the stretch last season. With the losses of Hawkins, Guardado, Pierzynski and others and the Sox not doing much of anything up to this point besides lose Colon, Sullivan, Graffy, Everett and Robbie, the Royals look like the team to beat in the AL Central in 2003 if you ask me. And if the Indians improve with some of their young guys and CC and Cliff Lee have good years, they could have a winning season as well. I suggest the Sox make some moves here soon or the expectations and attendance for next season will be very low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 I agree with your assessment Capn, but obviously the Twins saw something they liked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 OK aboz...edit your post!!! I can't have that shoddy stat posting quoted in its ugly form!!! I agree wil them keeping A.J. over Doug M......but hey, good for us!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aboz56 Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 Any reason Stewart has gone from a 50+ steals guy to basically not running at all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capn12 Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 Any reason Stewart has gone from a 50+ steals guy to basically not running at all? Very good question. Honestly, if Stewart were stealing 30-40 bases, and puttin those numbers up, I'd pay 6 mill for him per year. But the thing isn't money, its the priorities that Minny sets for themselves. They have always likened themselves as an organization who will almost always promote from within and depend on the Farm clubs for talent rather than pay a FA money. Then that train of business thought goes up in smoke, even though one of their own products is there to play the position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 I think the reason the Twins moved AJ over Doug Menkijhvpuyj is due to the fact that they could get more value for AJ because he is a catcher. Also, moving him to 1B would diminish that value in the future because he would then be a question mark as a catcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox61382 Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 They let AJ go because of Mauer obviously, but then again, what's the rush to deal him before the season. If I was the Twins, I would have moved AJ to first base and gotten rid of Mienkiewicz. AJ's a better player if you ask me, plus he is a guy that opposing teams just hate going up against because of his attitude. I actually admire Pierzynski and the way he plays. Anyhow, the stats pretty much speak for themselves on Shannon Stewart. He's just not that good to be able to justify that salary. And it's not like he's done anything outstanding in his career except "carry" the Twins down the stretch last season. With the losses of Hawkins, Guardado, Pierzynski and others and the Sox not doing much of anything up to this point besides lose Colon, Sullivan, Graffy, Everett and Robbie, the Royals look like the team to beat in the AL Central in 2003 if you ask me. And if the Indians improve with some of their young guys and CC and Cliff Lee have good years, they could have a winning season as well. I suggest the Sox make some moves here soon or the expectations and attendance for next season will be very low. The Royals are the team to beat??? I would have to disagree. While they have made some nice signings most have been minor improvements. They still have a very weak starting pitching staff. Furthermore, if you look at the stats from last year you will see a team that shouldn't have been above .500 and drasticly overachieved. As it stands right now I think it is a neck and neck race between the three teams with the Twins having a slight advantage because they have some solid prospects ready to step in for the players they lost. However, if the Sox can make some decent moves and find a starter to fill Colon's spot, someone to leadoff, and another right handed reliever without giving up too much, than I think the Sox become slight favorites. Any way you slice it, it should be a close race and a race to see which midget is the tallest if you will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrandoFan Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 Any way you slice it, it should be a close race and a race to see which midget is the tallest if you will. That's exactly right. (Of course if Royal and especially Twin owner TRULY wanted to win, they could matain 100 Mill payrolls for 10 years and still make money of their asset interest.) PS WS10682, when did you embrace the quote system? You're so deft at it, a natural. 2PS What are Eric Milton's terms with Phillies? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBAHO Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 Any reason Stewart has gone from a 50+ steals guy to basically not running at all? Dodgy Hamstrings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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