January 6, 200422 yr I am most excited to see Eck get into the HOF. Hopefully this will open the door to the closers.
January 6, 200422 yr Author He's not a first ballot anyhow, not surprising to me.... :fthecubs A lot more than you would think don't make it on the first ballot. It's like the voters have to prove something to the players and try to use it as a statement, like "no one gets in on the first ballot". Probably a way for the writers to get back at the players for being pricks while they were playing.
January 6, 200422 yr Congrats to Paul and Eck....I only got to see the finaly seasons of their careers, but they seemed to be great guys on the field and off as well.
January 6, 200422 yr Too bad there aren't any sox since I'm goin this year. Now we need to get tickets, which could be tough, but being in Cooperstown for the weekend is good enough of an experience for me.
January 6, 200422 yr Dawson should make it. He was dominating. I think Ryno should too. I'm glad to see the voters don't have their heads up their asses and voted 13 people ahead of Don Mattingly (who was a good player, but not nearly as good as his reputation, since he was a Yank). There are some great players there who should probably make it in, but probably never will (Morris, Blyleven and Trammel being my three choices besides the two I mentioned above). Of course, I never got to see some of those guys play, so I don't know their games. They may deserve it more than I think.
January 6, 200422 yr my opnion no to Dawson yes to Sandberg Molitor deserved it Eck did not my opinion never counts
January 7, 200422 yr my opnion no to Dawson yes to Sandberg Molitor deserved it Eck did not my opinion never counts Eck did not deserve it?!?! Now that I am shocked of, even though it is your opinion. I question more of monitor. The guy had more than 1,000 hits at the DH position. (and mr. Eck still holds alot of records for closers [100 comp. gms and 100 svs] the only 1 to do it) But I think both of them really deserved it as both were very versitile. I think ryno might get in by 05 or 06. If he dosent get in by 06...he wont be getting in by 07. I guarantee that (gwinn, ripkin jr., mcwire (sp?) are definitely getting in.)
January 7, 200422 yr I never saw Eck play, but I don't think he deserves to. Just from what I've heard or read, Goosage and Sutter should go in as closers before Eck.
January 7, 200422 yr I never saw Eck play, but I don't think he deserves to. Just from what I've heard or read, Goosage and Sutter should go in as closers before Eck. The about that is although Gossage and Sutter invented it, Eck perfected it.
January 7, 200422 yr The about that is although Gossage and Sutter invented it, Eck perfected it. Couldn't have said it better myself big red
January 7, 200422 yr Is Eck's 0.62 ERA of the early 90s(taking a total guess here, I'd say 1992) the record for the lowest ERA of any pitcher of all time(inlcuding relievers too, because I know Gibson's ERA of 1.12 in like 68 or 69 is the record for starters)?
January 7, 200422 yr Dawson - iffy Ryno -- Resounding Yes Molly -- Hell yes Eck -- Not before Goose And I still think Santo should have been in there 10 years ago.
January 7, 200422 yr The about that is although Gossage and Sutter invented it, Eck perfected it. Exactly, and IMO all 3 should be HOFers.
January 7, 200422 yr I can't believe Bert Blyleven isn't in. No body had a better curve. Alan Trammell should be there too. I guess he needed to do cartwheels before games to get noticed. There weren't too many double play combo's better than him and Whitaker offensively and defensively. As much as I hate the cubs Santo should be there too.
January 8, 200422 yr Is Eck's 0.62 ERA of the early 90s(taking a total guess here, I'd say 1992) the record for the lowest ERA of any pitcher of all time(inlcuding relievers too, because I know Gibson's ERA of 1.12 in like 68 or 69 is the record for starters)? Yes, that is still the record. He also holds two other records in that same year I believe.
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