Is Jose in the Dog House?

[TLAK]

Ozzies pregame show with Rooney on the radio is a riot; Ozzie is a loose canon.

 

Before the last Yankee game Rooney innocently asked how Jose and Frank were coming along. Ozzie started talking about the hammies but got into how he expects his players to be honest with him, no hero stuff. Jose told him he felt great in Tampa but he ended up pulling him during the game.

 

Yesterday Rooney noted that Frank was back and said he heard that Jose was coming along fine. Ozzie said he might send Jose back to the minors to play some games. Rooney quickly said it would be a great opportunity to get his timing back.

 

The twist I put on it is Jose will go down because Ozzie won't believe him even if he says he's ready. Now he has to see him play a couple days to prove it. The message to everybody is 'Don't lie to me'.

[cwsox]

Jose in the minors for a few days?

 

Ozzie being the tough guy?

[BrandoFan]

Ozzies pregame show with Rooney on the radio is a riot; Ozzie is a loose canon. 

 

Before the last Yankee game Rooney innocently asked how Jose and Frank were coming along.  Ozzie started talking about the hammies but got into how he expects his players to be honest with him, no hero stuff.  Jose told him he felt great in Tampa but he ended up pulling him during the game. 

 

Yesterday Rooney noted that Frank was back and said he heard that Jose was coming along fine.  Ozzie said he might send Jose back to the minors to play some games.  Rooney quickly said it would be a great opportunity to get his timing back.

 

The twist I put on it is Jose will go down because Ozzie won't believe him even if he says he's ready.  Now he has to see him play a couple days to prove it.  The message to everybody is 'Don't lie to me'.

Whose bright idea was it to let him play in Puerto Rico this off-season? He's never missed a winter ball, so of course at 34 his legs are f***ed.

 

Jose will always be stupid, but was there nobody with common sense in this organization who could have put a stop this? I guess taking care of 5 mill dollar investement is overrated.

 

:puke

[TLAK]

Whose bright idea was it to let him play in Puerto Rico this off-season? He's never missed a winter ball, so of course at 34 his legs are f***ed. 

 

Jose will always be stupid, but was there nobody with common sense in this organization who could have put a stop this? I guess taking care of 5 mill dollar investement is overrated.

 

:puke

He only played 16 of the team's 50 games. He's a local hero who didn't move to Hollywood and forget his hometown fans when he made the big time, which I find admirable. I don't have the stats handy but I'll wager that in olden times guys like Babe Ruth played a lot more on their barnstorming tours through the south. Probably made more money too.

[BrandoFan]

Probably made more money too.

 

Oh yeah?

 

When he's forced to retire because he practically lives on DL and nobody wants to take a chance on his abused hamstrings....I am sure he'll have lucid dreams of a

3 year/10 Mill contract he could have had.....as they're repo'ing his boat a few years from now.

 

I am guessing Sox too are enjoying the great willie harris-kelly dransfeltd tandem.

[YASNY]

Whose bright idea was it to let him play in Puerto Rico this off-season? He's never missed a winter ball, so of course at 34 his legs are f***ed. 

 

Jose will always be stupid, but was there nobody with common sense in this organization who could have put a stop this? I guess taking care of 5 mill dollar investement is overrated.

 

:puke

He wanted to get into a few games to face lefties as a lefty. 16 games is not going to make or break Jose's career.

[DBAHO]

He wanted to get into a few games to face lefties as a lefty.  16 games is not going to make or break Jose's career.

And now with Uribe playin the way he has, Valentin can afford to actually rest for 15 days and get his hamstrings right. I'm not sure he would hav been able to do that in the last few years.

[cwsox]

And now with Uribe playin the way he has, Valentin can afford to actually rest for 15 days and get his hamstrings right. I'm not sure he would hav been able to do that in the last few years.

not sure that I understand - we had Clayton and Graf

[DBAHO]

not sure that I understand - we had Clayton and Graf   

Royce Clayton - Couldn't hit the ball at all with us, liability in the lineup with his hitting. Funny thing is he's hittin #2 in Colorado's lineup.

Tony Graff - Good bench player, but not an everyday player like Uribe is now. Only hit well against LH pitchin as well. Wish he was still here, but not at the price KC paid him.

[cwsox]

Royce Clayton - Couldn't hit the ball at all with us, liability in the lineup with his hitting. Funny thing is he's hittin #2 in Colorado's lineup.

Tony Graff - Good bench player, but not an everyday player like Uribe is now. Only hit well against LH pitchin as well. Wish he was still here, but not at the price KC paid him.

not to revive the old debate but Clayton did hit higher than Jose at least one year and Graf always seemed more than adequete

 

the difference that I can see is that Uribe might actually win the job permanently

[DBAHO]

not to revive the old debate but Clayton did hit higher than Jose at least one year and Graf always seemed more than adequete

 

the difference that I can see is that Uribe might actually win the job permanently

I just always felt that if Jose wasn't playin, we neva seemed to play well, he seemed to be the emotional leader of the team. I think that's changin now, not that that's a bad thing.

[cwsox]

I just always felt that if Jose wasn't playin, we neva seemed to play well, he seemed to be the emotional leader of the team. I think that's changin now, not that that's a bad thing.

that was brando's theory, Jose as heart of the team, but I didn't buy it much in 2001-2003 and 2003 conclusively proved that no, we don't win more on the Jose factor.

 

I do agree that the times, they are a'changing. I am liking Uribe more and more.

[DBAHO]

that was brando's theory, Jose as heart of the team, but I didn't buy it much in 2001-2003 and 2003 conclusively proved that no, we don't win more on the Jose factor.

 

I do agree that the times, they are a'changing.  I am liking Uribe more and more.

I wonder if JM was still managing and we traded for Uribe, would he playing the way he is now?

[Texsox]

Better he play a few games and stay in shape. The risk of injury would have been worse if he was out of shape. I'm certain the minor league assignment is only a warning shot across the bow.

 

Better early than late in the season. As much as I liked Graffy, I'm liking Uribe better. I agree there is no rush to get Jose back into the lineup. Let him be 100% before returning.

[YASNY]

that was brando's theory, Jose as heart of the team, but I didn't buy it much in 2001-2003 and 2003 conclusively proved that no, we don't win more on the Jose factor.

 

I do agree that the times, they are a'changing.  I am liking Uribe more and more.

As I do. The the times definitely are changing. Uribe will more than likely be the starting SS next year.

[soxfan420]

Oh yeah?

 

When he's forced to retire because he practically lives on DL and nobody wants to take a chance on his abused hamstrings....I am sure he'll have lucid dreams of a

3 year/10 Mill contract he could have had.....as they're repo'ing his boat a few years from now.

 

I am guessing Sox too are enjoying the great willie harris-kelly dransfeltd tandem.

i think the miles have on his legs have nothing to due with this pulled hammie could it be the cold weather and lack of stretching???

[BrandoFan]

not to revive the old debate but Clayton did hit higher than Jose at least one year

I know you think 2002 is an ace in your sleeve but I am sorry (but not really) to inform you that, once again, you're absolutely incorrect.

 

2002 OPS

 

C - 660

V - 790

 

2002 OPS with runners in scoring position

 

C - 598

V - 1086

 

 

CW....do you understand now why when you say that Clayton "outhit" Jose in 2002 people are laughing? I mean, those aren't even CLOSE....And I am not even gonna go into who was a bigger Cub Killa -- which matters to some of us, believe it or not.

 

As far as defense....Jose kicked Clayton's ass in Total Defense (example of of which you probably read in the Diamond Mind article I linked to a few times.....it usesdifferent weighted Range measures as well as conventional stats to paint a more accurate picture than just using raw fielding % which admittedly was never Jose's strenght) in 2001 when you extrapolate his numbers at SS to full season and once again in 2003. Sure, in 2002 Clayton was clearly better, but that's why they call it a "career year". That's 2 out of the last 3 years that Jose was arguably as good if not better defensively than the Choice.

 

I know you're a big believer of intangibles.....Should I mention Klayton steam-rolling Hurt's ex...and generally making Robbie seem, well, like he gave a s***, by comparison?

[soxfan420]

Brando like i said your before your not only wrong you are stupid. idk how much crack you smoke but where do you come up with this bulls***???

 

soxtalk award for brando, most bulls*** poster.

[BrandoFan]

that was brando's theory, Jose as heart of the team, but I didn't buy it much in 2001-2003 and 2003 conclusively proved that no, we don't win more on the Jose factor.

 

It was a mock-theory, which for some unknown to me reason you took seriously.

 

But even so......Leave 2000 out much? Last 3 times Jose played full-time SS (2000, 2003, 2004) the team was winning. And considering how good the

RH-loaded Sox are at slapping LHP around and how brutal Jose is as a RH-er.....If anything, the team should have been WORSE when he started, not better.

[mreye]

Brando like i said your before your not only wrong you are stupid. idk how much crack you smoke but where do you come up with this bulls***???

 

soxtalk award for brando, most bulls*** poster.

[BrandoFan]

I wonder if JM was still managing and we traded for Uribe, would he playing the way he is now? 

Yes, because JM would have had an actual effect on his swing....

 

Jerry should have been fired by May 1st of 2003, but looking back, I can see why it's easier to blame him for 1st half collapse -- after all, Crede, Buerhle, Konerko, Gordon, White, Koch, Thomas were obvisouly "uninspired" and that's why they sucked fried skunk ass in April and May....Now here comes Ozzie with the magic wand; the air is cleaner when he is around.