May 6, 200421 yr I think of the available pitchers ( I don't want to deal with Oakland, that would be giving up too much in return ), I think the Garcia has the best stuff, and could turn into an ace very quickly. He's only 27, and like I said, has some very good stuff. I don't want to have to give up the farm, unless it's for an awesome, awesome pitcher (The only pitcher I can think of that might be available that I'd want is Halladay). Garcia would sort of be a dump for Seattle, if the Sox would only have to give up Lee to get Garcia, I'd do that in a heartbeat.
May 6, 200421 yr No one I agree - but do we need one? What do define as an Ace? Can it be done without the unhelpul "a No. 1" To me we need a stopper, the guy who gets the win when you've had a few loses - but I am not sure what an ace is for you all so please define the term.
May 6, 200421 yr I don't care for the semantics game be good and others have going. Again, to me, an ACE pitcher is the one who will take the ball in Game 1 and Game 4 of ALDS.......and Game 1, Game 4 and Game 7 of the World Series......going up against the very best offenses and pitchers like Pedro and Brown.......and will give you a real chance to win. Think Unit and Shilling circa 2001. Josh Beckett in 2003. Mark Prior in 2003. Kerry Wood in 2003 (before Game 7, anyway). Jason Schmidt in 2003. And so on. Obviously regular season matters very much, but after 86 years, everything should be geared toward that one goal..... Bartolo was no f***ing ace, just an apathetic pretender. I am fine with Loaiza and Buerhle as 2-3/3-2, but a true #1 is still at large.
May 6, 200421 yr I agree - but do we need one? What do define as an Ace? Can it be done without the unhelpul "a No. 1" To me we need a stopper, the guy who gets the win when you've had a few loses - but I am not sure what an ace is for you all so please define the term. To me, an ace and a stopper are one and the same. The type of pitcher you can count on to go out there and give you a win when you really need it. Be good, dude, you're just being stubborn. No way could you consider Mike Sirotka an "ace" in 2000, but he was our number one starter. Brando's definition of an ace works for me.
May 6, 200421 yr Buehrle= our ace. Zito=Oakland's ace Sirotka=2000's ace any questions? I'd love to play poker with you. Some of your "aces" rank right up there with the 9 of spades.
May 6, 200421 yr Okay, I think that I'm getting the hang of it now. Aces: None Kings: Buehrle, Loaiza Queens: None Jacks: Garland, Schoeneweis (I guess) Tens: None Although Garland is probably closer to being a Queen than he is to being a Jack. He's about 2/3 of the way there.
May 6, 200421 yr I could tell you who to take out from these pitchers: Benson: The Bucs are going to want prospects, not veterans for Benson and the Chisox will be reluctant to do that. Hudson: There is no way The A's are trading Hudson. The reason is, is because they will probably be in the hunt at the ASB. If they are to give up one of them, it's going to be Mulder because he makes the 2nd most and the A's still don't believe he's fully healthy. Halladay: Roy Halladay is the ace that the blue Jays are building their team around. He is really young and rally good. It would be impossible to acquire him. Schmidt: He is such a big ? because of his health and The giants would want one of the Big 3 outfielders (Anderson, Reed, Sweeney) for their ace. The only one I could see them getting is Garcia, because they have coveted him for so long.
May 6, 200421 yr Okay, I think that I'm getting the hang of it now. Aces: None Kings: Buehrle, Loaiza Queens: None Jacks: Garland, Schoeneweis (I guess) Tens: None Although Garland is probably closer to being a Queen than he is to being a Jack. He's about 2/3 of the way there. Great break down!!!
May 6, 200421 yr Jacks: Garland, Schoeneweis (I guess) It's not "jack" -- it's "valleit". Derived from old French. That's how Continental Europeans say it, you Yankee rube. Incidentally, it's not "Garland", but "Judy". Get it right, girl.
May 6, 200421 yr Author By those stats, I don't really think you can say that they are both much better than Hudson. They are all pretty much equal if anything. My point is that it is arguable that Mulder and Zito are better than Hudson. I didn't say it was clear. The point is that Oakland has 3 aces.
May 6, 200421 yr Beckett was 2-3 with a 3.76 ERA at this time last year. Other than tools and a few flashes, he had shown no true indication he was going to be an "ace" in the playoffs last year. Jas, Benson, Perez or Garcia are no better than what we have now. They would give us depth, but are not top of the rotation guys on a WS contender. Or they haven't taken that big step in that direction yet.
May 6, 200421 yr Beckett was 2-3 with a 3.76 ERA at this time last year So? Last time I checked, he finished with an ERA around 3.00, with pretty good peripherals. Plus, I was clearly talking in the context of play-offs (game 1, game 4, etc) -- and without him, Fish would have been steam-rolled by the Cubs -- hell, they almost steam-rolled them WITH Beckett, lol.
May 6, 200421 yr Beckett was 2-3 with a 3.76 ERA at this time last year. Other than tools and a few flashes, he had shown no true indication he was going to be an "ace" in the playoffs last year. He was also a former #2 overall pick who battled through blister problems and then became the stud that he is after he was totally healthy down the stretch last season...We've got no one on the team who can become a Beckett IMO or anywhere close to it...
May 6, 200421 yr So? Last time I checked, he finished with an ERA around 3.00, with pretty good peripherals. Plus, I was clearly talking in the context of play-offs (game 1, game 4, etc) -- and without him, Fish would have been steam-rolled by the Cubs -- hell, they almost steam-rolled them WITH Beckett, lol. Yes all ended well......... but you are looking for an ace. At this time last year, Beckett certainly was not one. Granted Beckett's ceiling has always been sky high, but you could not have predicted that he would dominate the way he did. I'm just saying that the pitchers on the Sox staff could step up. Anything could happen.
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