Neagle busted with fly down, $40 short, a ugly prostitute and in a world of trouble.

 

First, the Yankees are finding legals ways to void Giambi's contract with the entire "product not as advertised" ideal. Now, with Neagle's off-field problems again, the Rockies are looking to the standard paragraph 7 (1) of the uniform player's contract under Major League Baseball's basic agreement. [A club may terminate a contract if the player should "fail, refuse or neglect to conform his personal conduct to the standards of good citizenship and good sportsmanship."] to rid themselves of Neagle.

 

A new trend for owners of ridding themselves of contracts?

Neagle busted with fly down, $40 short, a ugly prostitute and in a world of trouble.

 

First the Yankees are finding legals ways to void Giambi's contract with the entire "product not as advertised" ideal. Now, with Neagle's off-field problems again, the Rockies are looking to the standard paragraph 7 (B) (1) of the uniform player's contract under Major League Baseball's basic agreement. [A club may terminate a contract if the player should "fail, refuse or neglect to conform his personal conduct to the standards of good citizenship and good sportsmanship."] to rid themselves of Neagle.

 

A new trend for owners of ridding themselves of contracts?

Of course. They handed out the huge contracts that are now an albatross. They're looking for any excuse to get rid of these guys. It's up to the players to be careful not to violate those obscure parts of the contract

Of course. They handed out the huge contracts that are now an albatross. They're looking for any excuse to get rid of these guys. It's up to the players to be careful not to violate those obscure parts of the contract

I'm pretty sure that any employee, in any line of work, caught getting a BJ from a hooker and in the papers about it, would be in a bit of trouble. Nothing 'obscure' about that. LOL

I'm pretty sure that any employee, in any line of work, caught getting a BJ from a hooker and in the papers about it, would be in a bit of trouble. Nothing 'obscure' about that. LOL

True. But esp. a pro player who meets with the public a lot and plays a kid's game, the "crime" is worse.

True. But esp. a pro player who meets with the public a lot and plays a kid's game, the "crime" is worse.

Maybe the publicity is greater, but the end result is the same. People lose their jobs for this kind of stuff, why should Neagle be any different?

Maybe the publicity is greater, but the end result is the same.  People lose their jobs for this kind of stuff, why should Neagle be any different?

I'm not saying he should or shouldn't have his contract voided. That's up the lawyers and the union. I do feel part of the pro players salary depends on them signing autographs, community involvement, ie "meeting the Public". Neagle prob. went too far in meeting his obligation

 

Maybe baseball could come up with a decency clause that if violated, would result in players being hit with a big fine. Because incidents like this do give the team and baseball a bad PR hit.

 

Whether it's worthy of Neagle being fired, prob. not. Too many owners would use incidents like this as an excuse to get rid of hurt/ crappy players. A star gets caught w/ his pants down and no one would void his contract.

I'm not saying he should or shouldn't have his contract voided. That's up the lawyers and the union. I do feel part of the pro players salary depends on them signing autographs, community involvement, ie "meeting the Public". Neagle prob. went too far in meeting his obligation 

 

Maybe baseball could come up with a decency clause that if violated, would result in players being hit with a big fine. Because incidents like this do give the team and baseball a bad PR hit.

 

Whether it's worthy of Neagle being fired, prob. not. Too many owners would use incidents like this as an excuse to get rid of hurt/ crappy players. A star gets caught w/ his pants down and no one would void his contract.

Once again, this is something the NFL has done really well at. They have a decency clause that allows for suspensions based on this kind of crap. Things like DUIs, drug arrests etc, actually have consequenses.

 

And I am sure you are right about who would get the contract voided and who wouldn't. Could you see Pujols getting his deal voided? Never.

And I am sure you are right about who would get the contract voided and who wouldn't.  Could you see Pujols getting his deal voided?  Never.

If Pujols were 36, unproductive and overpaid like a vast majority of today's players, he'd be gone. Today's Pujols? Ha!

 

While it shouldn't be an automatic escape from a contract -- afterall, as horrible as the contract is, the owner *did* agree to it, right? However, a more NFL-like ablity to cut players loose w/ minimal (ie: bonuses, incentives still to be paid) losses would be more beneficial to the MLB, as it is to the NFL.

Neagle busted with fly down, $40 short, a ugly prostitute and in a world of trouble.

He was caught w/ a $40 shorty, but not $40 short. He already took delivery, after all. Or is it the other way around?...

Maybe the publicity is greater, but the end result is the same.  People lose their jobs for this kind of stuff, why should Neagle be any different?

There is a difference between an "at will" employee and one who is under contract. There are rights and responsibilities for both parties. People are arrested for a variety of crimes and not lose their jobs. How many athletes have had DUI s and kept their jobs?

 

Is hookers worse that DUI? Steroids worse than hookers? Cocaine worse than steroids?

 

I guess I would lay it out

 

hookers

There is a difference between an "at will" employee and one who is under contract. There are rights and responsibilities for both parties. People are arrested for a variety of crimes and not lose their jobs. How many athletes have had DUI s and kept their jobs?

 

Is hookers worse that DUI? Steroids worse than hookers? Cocaine worse than steroids?

 

I guess I would lay it out

 

hookers

It sounds like a pretty standard decency clause that most people have...

 

A club may terminate a contract if the player should "fail, refuse or neglect to conform his personal conduct to the standards of good citizenship and good sportsmanship."

 

I don't think hookers fall under good citizenship.

It sounds like a pretty standard decency clause that most people have...

 

 

 

I don't think hookers fall under good citizenship.

Then certainly DUIs should also cause a firing.

 

Now should their also be an automatic suspension? Imagine of a player wanted out of his contract, he calls up a hooker, then calls police, and he's an instant free agent?

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Then certainly DUIs should also cause a firing.

 

Now should their also be an automatic suspension? Imagine of a player wanted out of his contract, he calls up a hooker, then calls police, and he's an instant free agent?

Like I said earlier, the NFL has the best system of all pro sports.

Like I said earlier, the NFL has the best system of all pro sports.

Agreed.

 

As far as voiding contracts, would the player be a free agent if he was busted for a hooker? Is it his choice, the team's choice, or mutual?

Agreed.

 

As far as voiding contracts, would the player be a free agent if he was busted for a hooker? Is it his choice, the team's choice, or mutual?

Upon conviction or a plea agreement the league decides an appropriate punishment. I don't recall a players contract ever being voided, but I could be forgetting something.

Upon conviction or a plea agreement the league decides an appropriate punishment.  I don't recall a players contract ever being voided, but I could be forgetting something.

One advantage the NFL has is they are able to promote a team, baseball has been promoting players.

Then certainly DUIs should also cause a firing.

 

Now should their also be an automatic suspension? Imagine of a player wanted out of his contract, he calls up a hooker, then calls police, and he's an instant free agent?

In this world perception is everything. Would you want something like that hanging around your neck when it could seriously hurt your chances of finding another place to play and pretty much kill any chance of getting any endorsement deals?

In this world perception is everything.  Would you want something like that hanging around your neck when it could seriously hurt your chances of finding another place to play and pretty much kill any chance of getting any endorsement deals?

How many players really get endorsement deals? I don't see the local stuff, but there are only a few guys getting national exposure. Far better to sut a rap record and jump into the stands gangsta stylin'