March 12, 200521 yr Jugger, after all that "stuff" in you huge post, let me say this. I never said Frank didn't deserve to be a 1st ballot HOF'er. I just don't think he will be. This stuff is done by votes and there are politics involved.
March 12, 200521 yr Everyone makes very valid points on why Frank will or won't be a 1st ballot HOF'er. Personally I think he should be but I think the possiblity exists ,at this point in his career, that he won't be. Frank thinks he has 4 or 5 yrs. left. I dont see that happening. He is getting more and more fragile. As for OPS I've been a huge baseball and White Sox fan for many yrs. and I don't even know what OPS is. Something about total bases against the number of outs maybe??? Care to enlighten me ? I'm not toatally convinced that OPS will be "the standard" for HOF votes in the future. I've heard the "Is Frank Thomas a 1st ballot HOFer" being discussed many times in the national media and I never hear it mentioned ,only the standard stats most every baseball fan knows like HR's RBI's B.A. And being a DH will certainly hurt him. A lot of voters see being a DH as not being a "complete" player.
March 12, 200521 yr QUOTE(CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Mar 12, 2005 -> 08:45 PM) As for OPS I've been a huge baseball and White Sox fan for many yrs. and I don't even know what OPS is. Something about total bases against the number of outs maybe??? Care to enlighten me ? OPS is On Base Percentage and Slugging Percentage combined. It's very telling for run producers, and not as telling for table setters. For example, Rickey Henderson and Ichiro Suzuki aren't sluggers, so they never have/never will post a high OPS. Career OPS Top 10 Rank Player (age) OPS Bats 1. Babe Ruth+ 1.1636 L 2. Ted Williams+ 1.1155 L 3. Lou Gehrig+ 1.0798 L 4. Barry Bonds (39) 1.0533 L 5. Todd Helton (30) 1.0480 L 6. Jimmie Foxx+ 1.0376 R 7. Hank Greenberg+ 1.0169 R 8. Rogers Hornsby+ 1.0103 R 9. Manny Ramirez (32) 1.0102 R 10. Frank Thomas (36) .9960 R
March 12, 200521 yr QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ Mar 12, 2005 -> 02:14 PM) OPS is On Base Percentage and Slugging Percentage combined. It's very telling for run producers, and not as telling for table setters. For example, Rickey Henderson and Ichiro Suzuki aren't sluggers, so they never have/never will post a high OPS. Career OPS Top 10 Rank Player (age) OPS Bats 1. Babe Ruth+ 1.1636 L 2. Ted Williams+ 1.1155 L 3. Lou Gehrig+ 1.0798 L 4. Barry Bonds (39) 1.0533 L 5. Todd Helton (30) 1.0480 L 6. Jimmie Foxx+ 1.0376 R 7. Hank Greenberg+ 1.0169 R 8. Rogers Hornsby+ 1.0103 R 9. Manny Ramirez (32) 1.0102 R 10. Frank Thomas (36) .9960 R Thanks Hammer
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