b/c McKeon is not a minority.

 

JM may be around longer than we think.

 

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/sfl-mar...Dsports%2Dfront

b/c McKeon is not a minority.

 

JM may be around longer than we think.

 

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/sfl-mar...Dsports%2Dfront

What else is new? Seems baseball is going the way of the real world more and more.

Thomas Theorem: Those things perceived as real are real in their consequences.

 

There is no such thing as race, it's a social construct based on the amount of skin pigment somebody has. But a lot of people believe that there is race [i.e. racism, slavery, etc. etc. etc.] So, Bud's just reacting to something that he thinks is real.

 

The best person gets the job and that should be that. [granted that's a very idealistic claim...doesn't take into account access to resources, connections people have, etc.] If the Marlins want to hire that person, let them. Selig can go stuff it up his ass.

 

Sorry, I have too much sociology on the brain [damned 3 hr. exam yesterday]

Best person for the job.

 

Amen.

 

 

sideshowapu,

 

I must say I really like the Eugene Debs quote...very cool.

I can't stand how America is trying to rid itself of racism yet you have crap like this that just exemplifies that racism exists...it's pointless you can hire whoever in the hell you want to hire and the best qualified person will get the job

Race regardless, Jack McKeon is not the best man for the job.

Race regardless, Jack McKeon is not the best man for the job.

Might be the cheapest though

the objection is not in who was hired - it was the process -

 

another good old boy retread hired and it would appear no one else was interviewed

 

the question is of the process - not of who is hired

 

and that is a very important distinction -

the question is of the process - not of who is hired

 

and that is a very important distinction -

 

 

good point...I have to agree with DonkeyKongerko, I don't think McKeon was the best man for the job, either.

the question is of the process - not of who is hired

 

and that is a very important distinction -

 

 

good point...I have to agree with DonkeyKongerko, I don't think McKeon was the best man for the job, either.

Selig would still be upset if the Marlins interviewed 10 minorities and McKeon if Mckeon still got the job. So harping on the "process" is null.

bulls*** CK

 

you are assuming things that are pure conjecture

 

it is evidently very hard to even get MLB teams to interview candidates as to oppsoed to hiring \from the same old good old boy network -

 

and how does one get to eb agood old boy in the loop to go from job to job-

 

you protest the most qualified candidate not being hired but how can that be determined when people cannot even get interviews and hiring is done purely on the basis of race - in this case - white

 

the MLB policy is: interview a group of people and then hire from the best candidate from the interviews -

 

but Florida never interviewed anyone, never gave any one a chance, just went back to the good old boy thing -

 

that is the objection CK - people cannot even get interviews. I

The Marlins will probably hire someone else when the season's over. If you haven't noticed, their starting pitching is in shreds (shades of the 2001 White Sox).

you protest the most qualified candidate not being hired but how can that be determined when people cannot even get interviews and hiring is done purely on the basis of race - in this case - white

I'm the one assuming right Vince?

I'm pissed that they didn't interview any slightly overweight redheads with nine toes.

you protest the most qualified candidate not being hired but how can that be determined when people cannot even get interviews and hiring is done purely on the basis of race - in this case - white

I'm the one assuming right Vince?

yep, the numbers speak for themselves.

 

But I love you anyway!

the objection is not in who was hired - it was the process -

 

another good old boy retread hired and it would appear no one else was interviewed

 

the question is of the process - not of who is hired

 

and that is a very important distinction -

Sadly to say, I have to agree with cwsox. The process should include a large enough sample so that the "appearance" of hiring the best qualified person is established.

 

The only thing I would argue against this is that each person interviewed costs a corporation both time & $. I think the economics should weigh over anything else. If a company that is losing $ and has to save every $ decides to spare itself the expense of a hiring process unless someone's willing to donate to the cause there's really no other option. Based on what I've read of Marlin $ losses they would certainly qualify but the question remains whether MLB & Selig were willing to fit the bill for the process.

 

I'm just pissed that Jerry Manuel wasn't even interviewed for the Marlins job!!!

...ohhhhhh that's right....he's not gone yet....

Folks it doesn't matter if we think he is the best for the Job, if the marlins think so then they should hire him, its probably a stop gap anyway. The whole idea is get the best person you think for whatever reason you want, at any time you want, to fill a job. Period. This country is starting to go to hell because Jesse flys around and acts like god. This guy needs to go away period.

what needs to go

 

 

is racism

 

 

I have known Jesse Jackson for maybe 3 times the life span of some posters here and UI have very mixed opinioins about him but how tiresome iut is when issues of racism come up and it is the same old same old tired same old meaningless blather about Jesse Jackson - who has not a damn thing to do with the Marlins.

 

 

As Frank Zappa once sdaid, I'm not black, but there are a whole lot of times I sure wish I could I wasn't white, and whenever I rad the bash Jesse Jackson comments in any discussion about racism, I wish I could disown my racial connections with those who keep crying about him rather than address any real problems in our society.

 

People of color cannot even get interviews - not even interviews - let alone jobs - 2 black GMs out of 30 - and what, 6 coaches of color out of 30, and the same old tired retreads keep getting hired when other people can't even get interviews - and what the f*** does Jesse Jackson have to do with any of this discussion?

 

I don't mean to blast away, but damn it, I do. I am tired of hearing people cry about Jesse Jackson in situations he has nothing to do with rather than think and dicuss the issue at hand.

Un believable. Now Jessie Jackson has MLB scared? What ever happened to hiring the best man for the job ? what if an owner chooses because this person is a personal friend of his? This is bulls***. Jessie causes enough bulls*** in teh world and now his goal is to get in prfessional sports where ALL the money is. It's amazing. He only shows up where there are a lot of cameras and open wallets. A bullet cant hit him soon enough.

That's right! i meant every word. Come and get me jessie! He wont. there's no money or camera. f***in scumbag! :fyou

People of color cannot even get interviews - not even interviews - let alone jobs -  2 black GMs out of 30 - and what, 6 coaches of color out of 30, and the same old tired retreads keep getting hired when other people can't even get interviews

So what's the answer? Should the government subsidize company's for the expense of extensive hiring processes to make sure that they cover all minority special interest groups?

People of color cannot even get interviews - not even interviews - let alone jobs -  2 black GMs out of 30 - and what, 6 coaches of color out of 30, and the same old tired retreads keep getting hired when other people can't even get interviews

So what's the answer? Should the government subsidize company's for the expense of extensive hiring processes to make sure that they cover all minority special interest groups?

that is a bulls*** alternative and you know it

What's wrong with hiring retreads? Joe Torre is a retread. So is Dusty Baker and Tony Dungy.

What's wrong with hiring retreads?  Joe Torre is a retread.  So is Dusty Baker and Tony Dungy.

and other than Joe Torre who fell into the Yankees, what has either of the others won, big time?

 

As Jason said elsewhere, time to think outside the box.

 

Baseball has passed around managers for years likes frat guys passing around strippers at a party. Everyoine gets f***ed over by the same oild thing and no one gets anything new or creative.

 

Thgere a lot of people out there with new creative ways to do things whose talent needs to be tapped.