I've been thinking and wondering, I saw where KW oringally flat out told him no in regards to Ring and no I really am going to miss him.

 

Ring was going to be a stud reliever for the Sox for a long time. I'm going to be sad to see him leave this organization and I know he will be sucessful.

 

Alomar was definately a huge boost, but damn Ring was good. Would of rather gave them Arnie Munoz.

Of course, I'm not saying i'm against it. The big reason is, that even if this move doesn't pay off or if it does and the Sox win the series or make it deep they can always recoup.

 

If they let Alomar and Everett walk at the end of the year, they will likely get TWO first round picks as compensation and thats better then anything we gave up, imo. While I love Ring, we could make it up with two quality high draft picks.

 

Heck, if you think, next year the Sox could really have a boatload of draft picks.

 

Either way I'm in a great move. Just had to say that I think Ring will be sucessful.

 

I just saw John Sickels write something up on him saying he hits 96 on the gun. Sorry guys, but I don't buy into that.

 

Too many times I see that crap, SEE: Jesse Foppert (Throws 99 yet I watch him pitch and he tops out at 90 MPH).

 

Now come on Sox, lets SWEEP THE TWINS and keep on rolling

He's been barely hitting 90, and he's supposed to be a closer? Later.

If Ring makes it as a closer with the Mets, I hope he blows the Cubs away ...

He's been barely hitting 90, and he's supposed to be a closer? Later.

LOL... ya know now he'll speed it up to 95

He's been barely hitting 90, and he's supposed to be a closer? Later.

He'd make a good lefty setup guy

Well, we don't need a lefty setup guy. We have Marte, Wunsch, Sanders, and maybe even Munoz for that.

He's been barely hitting 90, and he's supposed to be a closer? Later.

I'm assuming your talking about Ring. I'm guessing Ring is around 91-93, but not higher then that.

 

Rex can you vouge for us on this?

I'm assuming your talking about Ring.  I'm guessing Ring is around 91-93, but not higher then that. 

 

Rex can you vouge for us on this? 

I thought he was averaging more like 87 - 90..?

Did I just hear the Sox will get 2 first rounders if Everett and Alomar both depart? So they will have 3 first rounders next year?

Did I just hear the Sox will get 2 first rounders if Everett and Alomar both depart? So they will have 3 first rounders next year?

They'd get more then two or I'd guess they would.

 

They'd get two for Alomar by himself and then at least one for Everett, maybe two.

 

Not exactly sure how the compensation works, but thats how I understand it.

I'm assuming your talking about Ring.  I'm guessing Ring is around 91-93, but not higher then that. 

 

Rex can you vouge for us on this? 

87-88 consistently. Occasionally, getting to 90-91. I have not seen every pitch he has thrown, but I have seen a lot and have seen those readings consistently on several radar guns. On the one at the Hoover Met, he reads 84-86, but that is documented to be 3-4 mph slow, with occasionally a 5 mph variance.

I'm assuming your talking about Ring.  I'm guessing Ring is around 91-93, but not higher then that. 

 

Rex can you vouge for us on this? 

87-88 consistently. Occasionally, getting to 90-91. I have not seen every pitch he has thrown, but I have seen a lot and have seen those readings consistently on several radar guns. On the one at the Hoover Met, he reads 84-86, but that is documented to be 3-4 mph slow, with occasionally a 5 mph variance.

Ok thanks. I always figure when I read ba or something to subtract quite a few MPH.

 

In regards to Honel, he was throwing Hard. Wing is the mid to high 80's, ala Ring and I'm assuming Cotts is the same.

Well, we don't need a lefty setup guy. We have Marte, Wunsch, Sanders, and maybe even Munoz for that.

Which is one reason Ringer was available

I wish you guys wouldn't keep talking about draft picks next year for Alomar and Ev. We first have to offer them arbitration, and then they must refuse it. What happens if Ev hits .180, and we offer arbitration? He would accept it, because it would represent a guaranteed salary commensurate with his service time. Then we are stuck. Conversely, if he hits .380 with another 20 homers, we could offer arbitration, he could refuse, and we would then get a draft pick from his new team. Right now, there are no draft picks.

Ya, I just learned that.

 

They take a max of a 20% pay cut, which would be a lot in the case of both players (They'd still make a lot).

 

So they are going to have to produce and then it would be worth it.

Jim, correct on arbitration. That is a big if, that we would get picks.