This season I have noticed Neil Cotts's status has been boosted from left handed arm, nice to have in the orginization all the way up to left handed star, future hall of famer.

 

Nobody has interest in trading him, I want to know why he is being made out to be a superstar. I would trade him for any young major league arm in a second.

 

I understand that Cotts has put up majestic numbers, but the guy is wild. A lefthander that doesn't throw mid 90's is not going to get a way with wildness at the major league level. It will haunt him, and shorten outings, and who knows, possibly lead to arm injuries? Look at Jim Parque.

 

I say if can grab somebody for him...do it!

 

Unless somebody real familiar with Cotts can tell me that he is a can't miss stud pitcher.

 

Cotts numbers

 

6-2 2.28 51.1 32 69

This season I have noticed Neil Cotts's status has been boosted from left handed arm, nice to have in the orginization all the way up to left handed star, future hall of famer.

 

Nobody has interest in trading him, I want to know why he is being made out to be a superstar.  I would trade him for any young major league arm in a second. 

 

I understand that Cotts has put up majestic numbers, but the guy is wild.  A lefthander that doesn't throw mid 90's is not going to get a way with wildness at the major league level.  It will haunt him, and shorten outings, and who knows, possibly lead to arm injuries?  Look at Jim Parque.

 

I say if can grab somebody for him...do it!

 

Unless somebody real familiar with Cotts can tell me that he is a can't miss stud pitcher.

 

Cotts numbers

 

6-2  2.28  51.1  32  69

Neal Cotts has top of the rotation stuff. When he solves his problem with walking guys (and he will), he will be an excellent starter in the big leagues.

 

No reason to trade him for an average Major League pitcher, especially when you have the depth to trade other guys.

By that logic, Dontrelle Willis should be failing like a moron at the major league level. Deception and movement can do wonders, ya know.

This season I have noticed Neil Cotts's status has been boosted from left handed arm, nice to have in the orginization all the way up to left handed star, future hall of famer.

 

Nobody has interest in trading him, I want to know why he is being made out to be a superstar.  I would trade him for any young major league arm in a second. 

 

I understand that Cotts has put up majestic numbers, but the guy is wild.  A lefthander that doesn't throw mid 90's is not going to get a way with wildness at the major league level.  It will haunt him, and shorten outings, and who knows, possibly lead to arm injuries?  Look at Jim Parque.

 

I say if can grab somebody for him...do it!

 

Unless somebody real familiar with Cotts can tell me that he is a can't miss stud pitcher.

 

Cotts numbers

 

6-2  2.28  51.1  32  69

It's the few posts like these that make me proud to have the Klueless Wonder as our gm...

 

This season I have noticed Neil Cotts's status has been boosted from left handed arm, nice to have in the orginization all the way up to left handed star, future hall of famer.

 

Nobody has interest in trading him, I want to know why he is being made out to be a superstar.  I would trade him for any young major league arm in a second. 

 

I understand that Cotts has put up majestic numbers, but the guy is wild.  A lefthander that doesn't throw mid 90's is not going to get a way with wildness at the major league level.  It will haunt him, and shorten outings, and who knows, possibly lead to arm injuries?  Look at Jim Parque.

 

I say if can grab somebody for him...do it!

 

Unless somebody real familiar with Cotts can tell me that he is a can't miss stud pitcher.

 

Cotts numbers

 

6-2  2.28  51.1  32  69

Then again, Jim Parque didn't(and still doesn't and never will) have good stuff like Neil Cotts.

 

Cotts stuff is filthy.

It's the few posts like these that make me proud to have the Klueless Wonder as our gm...

 

the ex-clueless wonder, he was the only GM to pick up Loiaza, after Loiaza's agent had called every single major league team willing to spend. Williams also won out on the Colon deal (don't bring up biddle, his ERA ain't great and a good starter is worth a hell of a lot more than biddle). Williams also did a hell of a job snaring Alomar and Everett, you have to give up prospects for good players, when you are in such a close hunt as we are now, you have to say f*** the future.

 

Then again, Jim Parque didn't(and still doesn't and never will) have good stuff like Neil Cotts.

 

that is a fair point. Though I remember some hype when Parque came up, especially after he pitched a gem in his first game. I think 7 scoreless or something.

By that logic, Dontrelle Willis should be failing like a moron at the major league level. Deception and movement can do wonders, ya know.

It's better to have deception and movement in the strikezone.

 

btw, I was watching office space yesterday. Everytime I see your avatar I laugh

Well it depends on where Cotts misses. Since I haven't seen the kid pitch its only on numbers and second hand stuff from people like Rex.

 

If this kid is missing low, then I'm not super worried. Control problems get to you if your all over the place and finding the fat part of the plate. While I'm not saying Cotts doesn't have control issues, cause he does, and to me that is the one thing holding him back from becoming a top top flight left handed pitching prospect in baseball (Not only the Sox organization).

 

And if you want to see something, look at the strikeout numbers he puts up. He has foul movement on all his pitches and flat knows how to pitch. I have to agree with Rex here, he will gain control.

 

Now if we had an offer of Javier Vazquez for Cotts straight-up, then I'd do it as long as the Sox weren't gonna get rid of Javier.

Well it depends on where Cotts misses.  Since I haven't seen the kid pitch its only on numbers and second hand stuff from people like Rex. 

 

If this kid is missing low, then I'm not super worried.  Control problems get to you if your all over the place and finding the fat part of the plate.  While I'm not saying Cotts doesn't have control issues, cause he does, and to me that is the one thing holding him back from becoming a top top flight left handed pitching prospect in baseball (Not only the Sox organization).

 

And if you want to see something, look at the strikeout numbers he puts up.  He has foul movement on all his pitches and flat knows how to pitch.  I have to agree with Rex here, he will gain control. 

 

Now if we had an offer of Javier Vazquez for Cotts straight-up, then I'd do it as long as the Sox weren't gonna get rid of Javier.

and you know we would

Neal Cotts.... not Neil Cotts.

This season I have noticed Neil Cotts's status has been boosted from left handed arm, nice to have in the orginization all the way up to left handed star, future hall of famer.

 

Nobody has interest in trading him, I want to know why he is being made out to be a superstar.  I would trade him for any young major league arm in a second. 

 

I understand that Cotts has put up majestic numbers, but the guy is wild.  A lefthander that doesn't throw mid 90's is not going to get a way with wildness at the major league level.  It will haunt him, and shorten outings, and who knows, possibly lead to arm injuries?  Look at Jim Parque.

 

I say if can grab somebody for him...do it!

 

Unless somebody real familiar with Cotts can tell me that he is a can't miss stud pitcher.

 

Cotts numbers

 

6-2  2.28  51.1  32  69

Neal Cotts has top of the rotation stuff. When he solves his problem with walking guys (and he will), he will be an excellent starter in the big leagues.

 

No reason to trade him for an average Major League pitcher, especially when you have the depth to trade other guys.

Rex, this is not intended as a criticism. I want to point out something that i have noticed. You seem to be a guy who is VERY informed on minor league players. Props to you for your vast knowledge, as many of us depend on that knowledge for information. On the other hand, what i have noticed is........once a person becomes well informed on minor league players, he usually does overrate those guys. He gets excited, pumped up, listens to the hype, and overrates the prospects. Cotts is likely to turn out to be an average major league player at best. Lets not get too excited k?

Neal Cotts.... not Neil Cotts.

my bad

Rex does not come anywhere near overrating prospects. I have been associated with him for a couple years now, he is as honest a guy as you want to hear from when talking prospects. There are several others that I see that tend to overrate due to numbers or something they have heard, but not Rex. That dog don't hunt.

Rex does not come anywhere near overrating prospects. I have been associated with him for a couple years now, he is as honest a guy as you want to hear from when talking prospects. There are several others that I see that tend to overrate due to numbers or something they have heard, but not Rex. That dog don't hunt.

If you ever say "That dog don't hunt" again, I swear my head is going to be implanted into the nearest wall. Just hate the phrase.

If you ever say "That dog don't hunt" again, I swear my head is going to be implanted into the nearest wall. Just hate the phrase.

I wonder why...

Cotts is a stud that needs to work on his control. PERIOD! He is not overrated and he helps ease the pain on that Koch-Foulke deal!

Rex, this is not intended as a criticism.  I want to point out something that i have noticed. You seem to be a guy who is VERY informed on minor league players.  Props to you for your vast knowledge, as many of us depend on that knowledge for information.  On the other hand, what i have noticed is........once a person becomes well informed on minor league players, he usually does overrate those guys.  He gets excited, pumped up, listens to the hype, and overrates the prospects.  Cotts is likely to turn out to be an average major league player at best.  Lets not get too excited k?

Bmr, after you have watched him pitch more than once, then let's talk. I have seen prospects come and go and I have more than been honest about the chances of some guys. I'd think you would already have picked that up in the short time I have been on here.

 

If a guy is good, I'll tell you. If a guy isn't a prospect or isn't good, I'll tell you that too. I understand your point and it could have merit, but in this case, I don't believe it does. Five or six years it may have applied.

 

I have seen the likes of Buehrle, Biddle, Ginter, Rauch, Fogg, Wells, Garland, Myette, Guerrier and many others just here in Birmingham. Cotts compares with any of them at this point.

Rex, please don't compare Cotts to Aaron Myette or Matt Guerrier. I think my heart just skipped a few beats, whew.

Rex, please don't compare Cotts to Aaron Myette or Matt Guerrier. I think my heart just skipped a few beats, whew.

Same thing happened with me.

 

I think the most impressive thing about Cotts is he flat out makes guys miss.

 

His big goals have to be to better his control and with that he'll cover his other flaw working deeper into games.

I didn't mean it to come across that way. I am just saying that Birmingham has had some very good pitchers come through here and he compares favorably with any of them. Wasn't going for an individual comparison.

If you ever say "That dog don't hunt" again, I swear my head is going to be implanted into the nearest wall. Just hate the phrase.

Don't we all?

Rex does not come anywhere near overrating prospects. I have been associated with him for a couple years now, he is as honest a guy as you want to hear from when talking prospects. There are several others that I see that tend to overrate due to numbers or something they have heard, but not Rex. That dog don't hunt.

Thanks for the kind words MSF. I try to be fair.

Sorry for the phrase guys, just seemed to fit in with the Birmingham theme. :-)

Cotts is a stud that needs to work on his control. PERIOD! He is not overrated and he helps ease the pain on that Koch-Foulke deal!

Cotts is nothing, as of now. 1 out of 50 cant miss prospects actually dont miss.

Bmr, after you have watched him pitch more than once, then let's talk.  I have seen prospects come and go and I have more than been honest about the chances of some guys.  I'd think you would already have picked that up in the short time I have been on here.

 

If a guy is good, I'll tell you.  If a guy isn't a prospect or isn't good, I'll tell you that too.  I understand your point and it could have merit, but in this case, I don't believe it does.  Five or six years it may have applied.

 

I have seen the likes of Buehrle, Biddle, Ginter, Rauch, Fogg, Wells, Garland, Myette, Guerrier and many others just here in Birmingham.  Cotts compares with any of them at this point.

ummmmmmmmmm all those guys suck, bro(except Buehrle).