Rex Hudler Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 Pacheco pitched for the 3rd time since the Everett trade and looked great again tonight. In those three starts he has the following numbers: 1-0 1.47 ERA 18.1 IP 17 H 7 BB 16 K He has been consistently throwing his fastball from 93-95. The Rangers would be stupid if they didn't take him... In fact, don't be surprised if he starts out in AAA or even possibly in Texas! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 Pacheco pitched for the 3rd time since the Everett trade and looked great again tonight. In those three starts he has the following numbers: 1-0 1.47 ERA 18.1 IP 17 H 7 BB 16 K He has been consistently throwing his fastball from 93-95. The Rangers would be stupid if they didn't take him... In fact, don't be surprised if he starts out in AAA or even possibly in Texas! hey rex, you been relatively silent this week btw what is your take on him. is he a major league starter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted July 19, 2003 Author Share Posted July 19, 2003 Pacheco pitched for the 3rd time since the Everett trade and looked great again tonight. In those three starts he has the following numbers: 1-0 1.47 ERA 18.1 IP 17 H 7 BB 16 K He has been consistently throwing his fastball from 93-95. The Rangers would be stupid if they didn't take him... In fact, don't be surprised if he starts out in AAA or even possibly in Texas! hey rex, you been relatively silent this week btw what is your take on him. is he a major league starter Silent?? I have ranted on the Pete Rose Hall of Fame issue, gotten into it twie with HSC over s*** she will still not admit to being wrong (which she was) and probably spouted off about a few other things I barely knew what I was talking about. Guess I have been a bit off with the Minor League boxes though, but with the All-Star break games have been a bit sporadic. Plus one night, I couldn't get boxes for the longest time. All of that matters very little however. My thoughts on Pacheco are these.... He has been very impressive. Apparently he could always throw, but is just now "getting it" in terms of knowing how to pitch. He hits low to mid 90's (legit) consistently and doesn't look like he is trying. It also has excellent movement. He is very slender and not real tall. He has an excellent slider, which on occasion he will leave up (but what pitcher doesn't?). His changeup is servicable. Is he a Major Leaguer? Not right now, so I hope if Texas does pick him, they don't rush him. Is he a Major Leaguer in the future? If he continues to learn to pitch and can handle failure mentally (it will occur at some point) then hell yes, he is a Major League pitcher. He has been very good this year and has gotten better as the year has gone on. There were a lot of scouts there tonight (Narveson did pitch for Tennessee as well) and have been more each time he has pitched lately, so other teams are noticing too. This is his first year of real success, so we have no idea how he will adjust down the road. Can he handle it if he has a bad month? a bad year? Nobody knows, but if he keeps improving, he could be one hell of a Big League pitcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 then it was me who haven't seen these discussion you been having, normally i see your post in those i am usually writing. oh well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 Pacheco and Rupe are the two guys I don't want the Sox to lose. Pacheco has a great arm and the big thing for him has been the addition of the changeup. Prior to that he threw two hard pitches, meaning guys could sit on things. I sure hope the Rangers don't take them, but your right, they'd be fools not to. If I were them I'd take Diaz, Rupe and Pacheco. They need pitching and they'd be making out like bandits in my mind if they did that. Now if they went with Webster and Diaz, I'd be happy and I wouldn't complain at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 Pacheco and Rupe are the two guys I don't want the Sox to lose. Pacheco has a great arm and the big thing for him has been the addition of the changeup. Prior to that he threw two hard pitches, meaning guys could sit on things. I sure hope the Rangers don't take them, but your right, they'd be fools not to. If I were them I'd take Diaz, Rupe and Pacheco. They need pitching and they'd be making out like bandits in my mind if they did that. Now if they went with Webster and Diaz, I'd be happy and I wouldn't complain at all. i think they will load up on pitching, rupe is such an attractive player for them same as diaz. wasn't they suppose to make the choice by now. i also heard before the all star game that the managers were meeting, yet i haven't heard anything, did we miss it or was it me> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 The decision is due on July 25th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LDF Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 The decision is due on July 25th. i wonder if the sox are going to make another trade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 i wonder if the sox are going to make another trade If they do I hope its someone like Frank for Ponson and they aren't giving up anymore minor leaugers. If its not that then I hope they blow up this team with some guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Fainter Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 The irony of the Pacheco situation blows my mind. The Alomar/Pacheco trade with the Rockies a year ago was one of Kenny's few good ones. We gave an old catcher that we really didn't need then for a promising young pitcher with a great arm. Pacheco turns out to be better than Kenny thought, so he includes him in the package with the Rangers. Someone did a good job of scouting Pacheco last year. What pitching prospects do we have who are ahead of Pacheco? Honel, Cotts, Wing, maybe. If you pull back Pacheco, do you blow the deal? It sounds like the Rangers knew more about Pacheco than we did when the deal went down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clujer420 Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 If they do I hope its someone like Frank for Ponson and they aren't giving up anymore minor leaugers. If its not that then I hope they blow up this team with some guys. Why would the Sox want to give Frank away for a mediocre pitcher? The Sox don't need pitching -- they need their offense to start doing their jobs. If our offense were just hitting .260 instead of .244 or whatever it is, we'd probably be leading the division. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted July 19, 2003 Author Share Posted July 19, 2003 I wouldn't over think the Pacheco/Alomar trade. Pacheco has a live arm, but he has never come close to being consistent. I think he was considered a project, therefore the Rockies threw him in. I don't the Sox management really deserve too much credit either, because at the beginning of this year, they had no confidence in him. When he reported to AA this year he was one of the last two pitchers to make the team and was an afterthought on the staff. He was the 10th or 11th guy on the staff and the pitcher that was only going to pitch in mopup situations (see Glover, Sanders). A light bulb basically has turned on for him. I am not even sure it had as much to do with improving the changeup as him just finally learning how to pitch and get guys out. I would credit the Sox coaches on this one. Juan Nieves seems to have found the light switch in him. I have read quotes by Barons pitchers before that Juan does a really good job teaching the mental side of pitching as well as the physical. Pacheco may just be a situation where he clicked with the right pitching coach and it went from there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clujer420 Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 Maybe he decided to start pitching his hardest so he can get out of this organization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted July 20, 2003 Share Posted July 20, 2003 Why would the Sox want to give Frank away for a mediocre pitcher? The Sox don't need pitching -- they need their offense to start doing their jobs. If our offense were just hitting .260 instead of .244 or whatever it is, we'd probably be leading the division. Two things First of all, we have too many power hitting guys for our own good. Getting rid of one or two of them will not hurt and the lineup could become more consistent. Second, we have a very big weakness in the bullpen and our #5 starter. We'd be killing two birds with one stone. By getting a guy such as Ponson, that would push Wright(who'd come back up from AAA) to the pen, where quite a few people think he may be more successful, and it solidifies the rotation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Fainter Posted July 21, 2003 Share Posted July 21, 2003 Pacheco should get one more start before the Rangers make their decision. I think we should hold him out and announce that he has a sore arm. And speaking of the selections available to the Rangers, what has happened to Anthony Webster lately? Batting average dropping to around .285? We make him available to the Rangers?? His power hasn't shown up yet. Do the Sox still consider him a big time prospect? I don't know what the Sox do with these kids over the winter, but if he goes to High A ball next year and hits in the mid .200's, he then might be done, because we have so many young, good outfielders in the system. Rex or Jason, (or anyone else) do you have any inside info on him? Tks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex Hudler Posted July 21, 2003 Author Share Posted July 21, 2003 Pacheco should get one more start before the Rangers make their decision. I think we should hold him out and announce that he has a sore arm. And speaking of the selections available to the Rangers, what has happened to Anthony Webster lately? Batting average dropping to around .285? We make him available to the Rangers?? His power hasn't shown up yet. Do the Sox still consider him a big time prospect? I don't know what the Sox do with these kids over the winter, but if he goes to High A ball next year and hits in the mid .200's, he then might be done, because we have so many young, good outfielders in the system. Rex or Jason, (or anyone else) do you have any inside info on him? Tks. I don't have any inside info, but I do know this is the kid's first year of full season baseball. The baseball season is a grind. Players have bumps and bruises all along the way that they play through and the fans never know about. Their bodies get tired if they don't take care of themselves well and even when they do, fatigue can be a factor in short intervals during the season. I really know very little about Webster at all, so none of the above may apply. But the points are valid and do affect how a player does, which is the reason the larger the sample size, generally the better a player's ability can be judged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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