August 11, 200322 yr YES THERE IS!!!!!!! steff, go find where it says "tie goes to the runner" in a rulebook please this isn't even an argument
August 11, 200322 yr Rule 7.08(e) applies: "Any runner is out when he fails to reach the next base before a fielder tags him or the base." This is a judgement call, pure and simple. It is not debatable, appealable or protestable. Either the runner reached the base before the tag or s/he did not. If, in the umpire's judgement, the runner reached before the tag, then s/he is safe. If, in the umpire's judgement, the runner failed to reach before the tag, then s/he is out. There is nothing more to it than that. I repeat, there is no "Tie" call, only "Safe" or "Out". And that is a judgement call based on the umpire's determination as to whether or not the runner reached before the tag. So don't try to tell me that a tie goes to the runner. There is no tie, period. Oh look at you.. pullin out the rule book.. Where's that crying whiney smiley when ya need him... I know the rule.. and I know it "does not happen" But just cause they don't call the tie doesn't mean there isn't one. :finger
August 11, 200322 yr He makes a great arguement and I'm with him. There are ties. It happens, but as far as the rules and a call goes there is no such thing.
August 11, 200322 yr Oh look at you.. pullin out the rule book.. Where's that crying whiney smiley when ya need him... I know the rule.. and I know it "does not happen":rolleyes: But just cause they don't call the tie doesn't mean there isn't one. :finger Steff i'm an ump, of course i pull out the rule book And there is no such thing as a tie goes to the runner. The ball beats you there or it doesn't. The runner beats the ball to the bag in your so called tie fantasy world I either say out or safe not "well coaches, yes it was a tie, so to promote offense we will award the base to the runner" Any other myths you guys want me to disprove?
August 11, 200322 yr He makes a great arguement and I'm with him. There are ties. It happens, but as far as the rules and a call goes there is no such thing. We're both right eye..
August 11, 200322 yr steff, go find where it says "tie goes to the runner" in a rulebook please this isn't even an argument Hot damn.. you said please!!! I know you wanted to say something else... like "b****... stfu"
August 11, 200322 yr We're both right eye.. no we are not both right, there either is a such thing as "tie goes to the runner" or there isn't
August 11, 200322 yr steff, go find where it says "tie goes to the runner" in a rulebook please this isn't even an argument Hot damn.. you said please!!! I know you wanted to say something else... like "b****... stfu" yes i said please.... and i'm waiting i don't need to swear to prove my point, but i have to get rid of this ridiculous myth
August 11, 200322 yr no we are not both right, there either is a such thing as "tie goes to the runner" or there isn't I hear ya, man.
August 11, 200322 yr So don't try to tell me that a tie goes to the runner. There is no tie, period. In your judgement of course.
August 11, 200322 yr judgment of the rulebook, sure No, judgement of the meaning of the phrase "Tie goes to the runner".
August 11, 200322 yr No, judgement of the meaning of the phrase "Tie goes to the runner". no, judgment of "tie goes to the runner" is a term amatuer fans made up to describe a play at first base if it's not in the rule book, it doesn't apply. there's no interpretation or judgment necessary
August 11, 200322 yr steff, go find where it says "tie goes to the runner" in a rulebook please this isn't even an argument Hot damn.. you said please!!! I know you wanted to say something else... like "b****... stfu" yes i said please.... and i'm waiting i don't need to swear to prove my point, but i have to get rid of this ridiculous myth I say it's so.
August 11, 200322 yr no, judgment of "tie goes to the runner" is a term amatuer fans made up to describe a play at first base if it's not in the rule book, it doesn't apply. there's no interpretation or judgment necessary So then you are saying since it is not in the rule book it is physically impossible for a ball to reach the fielders mitt as the runner is stepping on the base?
August 11, 200322 yr no, judgment of "tie goes to the runner" is a term amatuer fans made up to describe a play at first base if it's not in the rule book, it doesn't apply. there's no interpretation or judgment necessary So then you are saying since it is not in the rule book it is physically impossible for a ball to reach the fielders mitt as the runner is stepping on the base?
August 11, 200322 yr steff, go find where it says "tie goes to the runner" in a rulebook please this isn't even an argument Hot damn.. you said please!!! I know you wanted to say something else... like "b****... stfu" yes i said please.... and i'm waiting i don't need to swear to prove my point, but i have to get rid of this ridiculous myth I say it's so. i guess steffs word overrides the rule book
August 11, 200322 yr no, judgment of "tie goes to the runner" is a term amatuer fans made up to describe a play at first base if it's not in the rule book, it doesn't apply. there's no interpretation or judgment necessary So then you are saying since it is not in the rule book it is physically impossible for a ball to reach the fielders mitt as the runner is stepping on the base? no i did not say that, never have but if that's the case, the runner beat the ball to the bag (or the ball failed to beat the runner) the rule isn't "tie goes to the runner", period
August 11, 200322 yr There isn't The ball has to beat the guy to the bag, there's no such thing as tie goes to the runner It seems you're the one who injected the "tie goes to the runner" into this when what you quoted was a tie at first base. Btw, "Tie goes to the runner" IS a judgement by the umpire and thus is covered by the rule book.
August 11, 200322 yr steff, go find where it says "tie goes to the runner" in a rulebook please this isn't even an argument Hot damn.. you said please!!! I know you wanted to say something else... like "b****... stfu" yes i said please.... and i'm waiting i don't need to swear to prove my point, but i have to get rid of this ridiculous myth I say it's so. i guess steffs word overrides the rule book Baaa haaa haaaa!!!
August 11, 200322 yr There isn't The ball has to beat the guy to the bag, there's no such thing as tie goes to the runner It seems you're the one who injected the "tie goes to the runner" into this when what you quoted was a tie at first base. Btw, "Tie goes to the runner" IS a judgement by the umpire and thus is covered by the rule book. tie goes to the runner is not a judgment made by the umpire, where in the hell do you come up with this stuff? what you just said would compose a rule, not a judgment
August 11, 200322 yr Ok.. I'm going to elaborate.. Man and ball get to first at exactly the same time. That's a tie..? Right? No, it's not in the rule book, but it's a tie. What do ya do..? 9 out of 10 umps would tell ya that they would call it to the runner UNLESS it's definitely an out - meaning the ball got there first in which case none of this matters. That's all I meant kochy... relax
August 11, 200322 yr There isn't The ball has to beat the guy to the bag, there's no such thing as tie goes to the runner It seems you're the one who injected the "tie goes to the runner" into this when what you quoted was a tie at first base. Btw, "Tie goes to the runner" IS a judgement by the umpire and thus is covered by the rule book. tie goes to the runner is not a judgment made by the umpire Then who would make it????????????
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