Jim Fainter Posted September 15, 2003 Share Posted September 15, 2003 My crack research staff has done its final, year end summary of the stats of our propects that we traded for Alomar, Everett, and Schoen. Ring 3-0 1.66 ERA 21.2 Inn 11 hits 18 K's Francisco 2-3 8.41 35.1 43 22 Rupe 4-1 3.90 27.2 29 23 Bittner 5-0 0.28 32.2 18 28 Webster .270 BA, 7 doubles, 1 homer, 4 SB. COMMENT: I still do not understand why we gave up so much for Schoenweis, since he can't get anybody out. We gave up Gary Glover, which seemed like a pretty even swap. Then we gave up AAA pitcher Dunn. Okay. Why in the world were we convinced to give up Bittner, too. He pitched his ass off for us in two classifications, and then he went on to pitch lights out for the Angel's Class A team. Why did he have to be included. This organization is going to be hurting for quality pitching prospects. Bittner will be up to AA ball easily next year, maybe AAA. I also do not understand why our future general manager is so convinced that Bittner is NOT a prospect. Jason, pls explain. Tks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitesox61382 Posted September 15, 2003 Share Posted September 15, 2003 The thing with Bittner is that he is 23, which is pretty old to be pitching in high A ball. He will have to progress up the minors in a hurry to have a legit shot of becoming a solid everyday pitcher in the majors. There is a strong correlation between 25 and the majors. If you don't make the majors by the age of 25, than the chances that you become a solid everyday player is very rare. There are a few career minor leaguers and older prospects(25+) that turn into solid major league players, but those are rare cases and for every career minor league that makes it there are hundreds that never do. Next year will be a big year for Bittner. If he doesn't put up good numbers in the upper minors(which is a major huddle, just look at Francisco's sucess at high A ball and struggles at AA) he will be hard pressed to make the majors. The scouting report on Bittner isn't that great either. There is nothing that special about him and thats why he has never be considered a top prospect. The Sox also got Nickle in the Shoen trade, for whatever thats worth. I would say the odds of Nickle making the majors is about the same as Bittners'. So I think that is a wash. It was pretty much Dunn and Glover for Shoen. Dunn really struggled at AAA after the trade and needs to improve his control if he ever hopes to make the majors. Some other guys involved in trades this season that you didn't mention was Jimenez and Hummel both to Cinny(Jimenez for Dunn and Hummel for Sully). I know that Jimenez is hated by most people on this board, but he is hitting .300+, with an .800+ OPS, and only 2 errors. I still think the Sox gave up on him to early. He has too much talent and has outpreformed Alomar since the trade and please dont give me that clubhouse cancer versus clubhouse leader BS to justify why Alomar is better then Jimenez. Hummel is only hitting .203, but does have 2 HR's, has shown decent plate disipline, and has been solid defensively so far. I was a big fan of Hummel and thought he was possible the future at 2nd. Now the Sox don't have much of an option besides Alomar at 2nd next year and in the near future with Jimenez and Hummel gone. I still think all of these trades were worth it if the Sox make the playoffs. ESPN also runs an article at the trade deadline that shows that most prospects given up at the deadline never amount to anything. Just something to keep in mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Lopez Ghost (old) Posted September 15, 2003 Share Posted September 15, 2003 The thing about Jiminez is that he hurts you in ways that don't always show up in the numbers. the play this week against the Cubs - no error charged as two runs score while he does gymnastics on the outfield grass; the play against Minnesota this year, when in the 9th inning with 2 outs he completely misreads a base hit to right and only advances from second to third - we don't score and lose in extra innnings. There are baseball intangibles, you can't teach them, and DJ's intangibles are all bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MnSoxFan Posted September 15, 2003 Share Posted September 15, 2003 Jiminez was the worst 'baseball' player I have ever witnessed, Rios not far behind. How Rios could swing at that first pitch when pinch hitting for ARow on Sunday is beyond me. Nothing wrong with swinging at first pitch if it is one you can handle. Stupid baseball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MnSoxFan Posted September 15, 2003 Share Posted September 15, 2003 Should have posted Dunn's AAA ERA for Angels, worse than Francisco's AA ERA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CubKilla Posted September 15, 2003 Share Posted September 15, 2003 How Rios could swing at that first pitch when pinch hitting for ARow on Sunday is beyond me. Nothing wrong with swinging at first pitch if it is one you can handle. Stupid baseball. Well, if dumbass JM didn't start the 0-for-the-day Daubach at first, you could have had BD bat where Rios batted. Of course, with a RH pitcher, the easily read JM had to have a lefty bat. The only two you had off the bench at that time, if I'm not mistaken, were Rios and Harris. That's why you need Daubach on the bench if the only other two lefties you have on the bench are Rios and Harris. "Stupid baseball" by both ARios and JM "the wise one" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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